Thad Bosley Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) I wasn’t a fan of Tony LaRussa the first time around for a variety of reasons, and was happy the day he was let go by Hawk. In fact, at the time, I thought his successor, Jim Fregosi, was a far better manager. Unfortunately for Fregosi he presided over a really lousy White Sox team in his short time with the organization from ‘86 thru ‘88. That said, if we have to live through this twilight bromance between Reinsdorf and LaRussa at the end of their respective lines, it becomes passable IF Reinsdorf spends cash like a major market owner for once, to put the finishing touches on this rebuilt roster, and IF LaRussa surrounds himself with the right coaching staff that can help bridge the generational gap between him and the players. That’s why I was glad to hear the other dinosaur, Dave Duncan, would not be the new pitching coach (or old new pitching coach). Get both a younger pitching coach (maybe two pitching coaches - Stone has been making a lot of noise on this front) and see where a change could be made with the Nick Capras, Joe McEwings and/or Daryl Boston’s of the world to bring in someone more relatable to our young Latin players. It probably won’t be McEwing, though, as he and LaRussa were very close during their time together in St. Louis, speaking of bromances. Edited October 28, 2020 by Thad Bosley 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Just now, ChiSox1917 said: As safe as it is for most people without underlying conditions...pretty f’n safe Being old is an underlying condition. Thanks for coming out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradMc Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Thad Bosley said: I wasn’t a fan of Tony LaRussa the first time around for a variety of reasons, and was happy the day he was let go by Hawk. In fact, at the time, I thought his successor, Jim Fregosi, was a far better manager. Unfortunately for Fregosi he presided over a really lousy White Sox team in his short time with the organization from ‘86 thru ‘88. That said, if we have to live through this twilight bromance between Reinsdorf and LaRussa at the end of their respective lines, it becomes passable IF Reinsdorf spends cash like a major market owner for once, to put the finishing touches on this rebuilt roster, and IF LaRussa surrounds himself with the right coaching staff that can help bridge the generational gap between him and the players. That’s why I was glad to hear the other dinosaur, Dave Duncan, would not be the new pitching coach (or old new pitching coach). Get both a younger pitching coach (maybe two pitching coaches - Stone has been making a lot of noise on this front) and see where a change could be made with the Nick Capras, Joe McEwings and/or Daryl Boston’s of the world to bring in someone more relatable to our young Latin players. It probably won’t be McEwing, though, as he and LaRussa were very close during their time together in St. Louis, speaking of bromances. Bravo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getonbckthr Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 5 hours ago, SonofaRoache said: TLR needs to address his political statements if he is hired to be coach. This being said, I think he'd be a great hire for our team. He is a great manager and would bring national attention and respect to our team. If he is hired, I assume he'd be on board with today's game and grooming a future replacement. I also think that he could encourage Jerry to spend money as they'd love to finish what they started in the 70's before they leave. For me the only other realistic option is AJ Hinch, as I think Bochy won't unretire. No he doesn't. Whether I agree, you agree or anyone else agrees with him his right as an American is to have his own beliefs and opinions. That being said please God keep TLR away from this team 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, getonbckthr said: No he doesn't. Whether I agree, you agree or anyone else agrees with him his right as an American is to have his own beliefs and opinions. That being said please God keep TLR away from this team He is against players kneeling during the anthem and says he would keep them in the clubhouse. We have guys that kneel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Tony said: Ahhh, the age old free speech debate. It’s incredibly simple. Tony La Russa has every right to hold his own beliefs, opinions and and thoughts on any topic he chooses. So do you. So do I. But our choices have consequences. If a potential hire had sentimental thoughts on the H man, would you say the same thing? He wouldn’t have to at least address his stance on what happened in Germany? Would you want that person as the manager on your favorite team? “Free Speech” isn’t without consequence. Uhmmm did you really just jump to someone supporting hitler? Edited October 29, 2020 by ChiSox1917 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tony said: If the argument is no one has to explain themselves for their thoughts or opinions, why does Hitler matter in this instance? Are we now saying certain opinions should be explained or answered for? Because then you would be agreeing with me... I don't think he "has" to say anything to the fans. Who he has to explain his positions to are the owner, GM, and players. I highly doubt the organization is going to hire someone they have concerns about working with their players. Just really comes across as a non-issue being pushed by posters on this board that personally take issue with his politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Just now, Tony said: It comes across that way to you, because you don’t care about the feelings of the players who do kneel, and you agree with the stance of TLR. Let’s just call it for what it is. Imagine being an adult and thinking that having a different opinion on an issue means that the other person doesn't care or acknowledge your feelings. You sound like a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Just now, Tony said: And yet...you didn’t deny it. Weird. Yeah this proves you're about 11 years old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tony said: And since I joined this site in 2003, it makes what I’ve done here over the last 17 years more impressive! That road trip to Cinci when you were negative 3 was a lot of fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tony said: And since I joined this site in 2003, it makes what I’ve done here over the last 17 years more impressive! It would explain the quality of your posts in 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, ChiSox1917 said: Imagine being an adult and thinking that having a different opinion on an issue means that the other person doesn't care or acknowledge your feelings. You sound like a child. Not just having a different opinion, but he's enforcing his political views on the players he manages, e.g. he had went on record and said he would forbid them from kneeling during the anthem and sending back to the clubhouse. That's far more than just having a different opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ChiSox1917 said: Imagine being an adult and thinking that having a different opinion on an issue means that the other person doesn't care or acknowledge your feelings. You sound like a child. Yes your ignorant view on kneeling means exactly that; "you don't care" about the feelings of those whom the system oppresses. Lets not get political though; no sense in that, your baseball opinions and thoughts are hot enough to keep the ridicule flowing freely your way. Edited October 29, 2020 by Look at Ray Ray Run 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rowand44 said: That road trip to Cinci when you were negative 3 was a lot of fun. its a great age. Its those terrible negative twos that get you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Not just having a different opinion, but he's enforcing his political views on the players he manages, e.g. he had went on record and said he would forbid them from kneeling during the anthem and sending back to the clubhouse. That's far more than just having a different opinion. He hasn't enforced anything. Jumping the gun here bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 9 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: The owner putting his nuts on the line by making an all in move like this has to viewed as a good thing. Not sure someone of Reinsdorfs age ever considers his nuts on the line. Every morning he can be vertical is the most joyous part of his day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 6 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Not sure someone of Reinsdorfs age ever considers his nuts on the line. Every morning he can be vertical is the most joyous part of his day. when your that old your nuts always tend to be resting on one line or another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirdGen Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 IIRC correctly, Anderson was the only player to kneel. I get that he is Black, but no other player or coach joined in support? Is it possible that the remainder of the team believes kneeling during the anthem is wrong? Is it possible the Cuban / Latinx players feel incredibly blessed and lucky to be here, and therefore respect the US despite its many flaws, as they recognize the far worse alternatives from being exposed to them? Or maybe they want to be baseball players on the White Sox time, and activists on their own time? Assuming the entire team is opposed to TLR's anthem stance is extremely simplistic and probably extremely wrong. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Pro: LaRussa won't take Giolito out of an elimination game after 5.1 IP and 73 pitches Con: ........ 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Lamar Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I find it hard to believe that JR, a guy who has been a leader on diversity issues in MLB for decades, would actively pursue or even associate with someone he considers to have beliefs counter to the issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Pro: LaRussa won't take Giolito out of an elimination game after 5.1 IP and 73 pitches Con: ........ But the stats above all guys say it was a good decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, ThirdGen said: IIRC correctly, Anderson was the only player to kneel. I get that he is Black, but no other player or coach joined in support? Is it possible that the remainder of the team believes kneeling during the anthem is wrong? Is it possible the Cuban / Latinx players feel incredibly blessed and lucky to be here, and therefore respect the US despite its many flaws, as they recognize the far worse alternatives from being exposed to them? Or maybe they want to be baseball players on the White Sox time, and activists on their own time? Assuming the entire team is opposed to TLR's anthem stance is extremely simplistic and probably extremely wrong. Not true, 7 players knelt including Anderson, Abreu, Jimenez, Robert, and Fry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Not true, 7 players knelt including Anderson, Abreu, Jimenez, Robert, and Fry Luckily none of that group are team leaders or important players going forw... oh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) I'm all for Tony. He can be a crabby, mean guy, but I see it as karma. Hawk never should have fired him. Now he wins a couple WS titles with the Sox. He's a brilliant baseball mind and he can disregard the parts of analytics that are ridiculous. Hiring the Astros scandal guy would be awful in my mind. I want the Sox to be lovable, not despised by every fan outside of chicago. Tony!! p.s. In a perfect world, Ozzie could come back but he's the mouth that roared. Ozzie has nobody to blame but himself for saying all those controversial things in his past days in baseball. Edited October 29, 2020 by greg775 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, ChiSox1917 said: But the stats above all guys say it was a good decision And the follow your gut guys say Ricky Renteria makes good decisions. Reductio ad absurdum arguments are dumb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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