Chicago White Sox Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 hours ago, fathom said: Why would any Sox fan want to waste a year of contention having the team have a mutiny during the season? Honestly it seems some people on here are going to root for the Sox to lose this year just to hate even more on Tony. Sure does feel that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Do we really need to revisit all of the manager/player problems that Tony has been a part of? I am not a fan of the hire but to expect a death spiral and implosion because he is the manager is a bit of a reach in my mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Harry Chappas said: I am not a fan of the hire but to expect a death spiral and implosion because he is the manager is a bit of a reach in my mind. Ever since the day that the season ended, this has been a worst case scenario. We have seen instances of problems in the past, and when you look at the roster, it is filled with the types of guys that Tony typically has a problem with. I see no real reason for optimism here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 27 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: Cool. Glad you could clear that up for me with your insider knowledge. I guess common sense is insider knowledge to you. The Earth is round and we orbit the sun next up in the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michelangelosmonkey Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I gotta say...five years ago if the White Sox had hired a new analytics coordinator I would neither have known nor cared. Now I get to read ten pages about who they are, how Jerry sucks and TLR is a drunk, management favors nepotism and rapists and the rebuild is going in the trash heap. We are living in a world of wonders. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 minute ago, southsideirish71 said: I guess common sense is insider knowledge to you. The Earth is round and we orbit the sun next up in the news. Your overall attitude sucks. But that’s alright, I’ll keep being pleasant. And I’ll listen to the actual insider here who told us that Hahn was given control of hiring the pitching coach since TLR wasn’t his choice. Could that insider be wrong? Sure. But that’s why I said “I think” instead of speaking in absolutes like you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: Your overall attitude sucks. But that’s alright, I’ll keep being pleasant. And I’ll listen to the actual insider here who told us that Hahn was given control of hiring the pitching coach since TLR wasn’t his choice. Could that insider be wrong? Sure. But that’s why I said “I think” instead of speaking in absolutes like you. TLR reached out to Duncan before he accepted the job. Sure after Duncan said I am not un-retiring Hahn was given the opportunity to hire a guy. I doubt if any of the same "insiders" would pontificate that TLR was going to get overruled if TLR wanted to hire Duncan if he was available by Hahn and his pick. TLR didn't have a horse in the race is what it really what it was. Edited December 1, 2020 by southsideirish71 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said: TLR reached out to Duncan before he accepted the job. Sure after Duncan said I am not un-retiring Hahn was given the opportunity to hire a guy. I doubt if any of the same "insiders" would pontificate that TLR was going to get overruled if TLR wanted to hire Duncan if he was available by Hahn and his pick. TLR didn't have a horse in the race is what it really what it was. I agree that very well could have been what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 45 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Ever since the day that the season ended, this has been a worst case scenario. We have seen instances of problems in the past, and when you look at the roster, it is filled with the types of guys that Tony typically has a problem with. I see no real reason for optimism here. If you see no reason for optimism then why are you on this forum? Why spent time on something that gives you no joy? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Vulture said: Every NFL staff ever is comprised of the family members of their superiors? That seems like a questionable assertion Just about every staff has coaches' kids or relatives or relatives of their former friends/assistants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Sure does feel that way. We, the White Sox delegation, would like to DFA White Sox "fans" actively rooting against "their" team 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: If you see no reason for optimism then why are you on this forum? Why spent time on something that gives you no joy? That is actually a fair point. I probably should think about going back into hibernation. I already made sure for no Sox related purchases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago White Sox Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Portillo’s was correct about Howie Clark for what that’s worth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago White Sox Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Just now, Sleepy Harold said: By “stuff” I think he means “curveballs” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SonofaRoache Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 26 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: This can't be true. TLR sucks period. Nothing he does is good and he will fail in every possible way. He doesn't even have the common decency to call players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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South Side Hit Men Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 6 hours ago, SoxBlanco said: Just because Duncan said he wouldn't be joining TLR doesn't mean we would have taken Duncan if he was interested. I think Hahn was given control of hiring the pitching coach, and I don't think it was going to be Duncan even if Duncan wanted it. I agree it’s likely Hahn and Giolito were responsible for Katz. However, when LaRussa and Jerry agreed last Spring or Summer Tony was coming back after Tony’s latest known DUI arrest, it’s likely Jerry would have also honored Tony’s offer to Duncan be honored if Dave accepted. Tony would have communicated the offer to Jerry. Jerry could have nixed it, but Hahn or Kenny had no say in any of this. Perhaps Dave told Tony no, but instead give my kid a job. Hahn couldn’t even stop Dave’s son from being hired, how could he have stopped Dave? This entire episode is about Jerry making Tony happy and keeping him employed, and “righting a wrong”. Kenny, Hahn, players, fans be damned. Poor Hawk, the one thing he did right as GM undone 34 years later. Mercy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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