If no new RF by Nontender deadline, should Sox tender Mazara?

[YourWhatHurts]

I think they should.  They should be willing to eat 1-2 mil in a trade if they have to, just to have a backup plan in the event that Springer signs elsewhere and Joc does too, or Joc's price becomes too high for comfort.

[fathom]

Absolutely not

[Saufley]

NO!

[YourWhatHurts]

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Absolutely not

Then question: what do the Sox do if they nontender Nomar, then Springer and Joc both sign elsewhere?  Who else is out there?

[Chicago White Sox]

Where is the “God No” option?  If he wants to come back at like $2.5M to open the season at DH and then move into backup role once Vaughn is called up that’s fine by me.  Bud under no circumstance do you tender him a contract.

[YourWhatHurts]

Also I forgot to add in the first post (was going to but then I started thinking about TLR again and forgot) that we can still DFA Mazara in ST can't we, without a substantial penalty, even if we tender him?

I know teams can do that, they can sign a guy and then cut him during ST and they only have to pay the league minimum or something.  Can't they do that with Mazara?  If so and they can, I think you have to hold onto Mazara just in case, then plan to trade him or cut him in ST if you get another RF.

[fathom]

7 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said:

Then question: what do the Sox do if they nontender Nomar, then Springer and Joc both sign elsewhere?  Who else is out there?

Tons, including Bradley or trade options. 

[Vote4Pedro]

7 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said:

Then question: what do the Sox do if they nontender Nomar, then Springer and Joc both sign elsewhere?  Who else is out there?

Brantley could fill a role on this team

[Chicago White Sox]

11 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said:

Then question: what do the Sox do if they nontender Nomar, then Springer and Joc both sign elsewhere?  Who else is out there?

Trade a song for Calhoun

[YourWhatHurts]

Can Brantley really handle RF though?  I'm definitely worried about the defense out there.  Not that Nomar was all that great but I don't want to get worse.  I just think of Brantley as a LF/DH at this point.

I'd be interested in Starling Marte if the price is right.  It's the Marlins so he has to be on the block.

[YourWhatHurts]

Just now, Chicago White Sox said:

Trade a song for Calhoun

Ok

[Chicago White Sox]

4 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said:

Also I forgot to add in the first post (was going to but then I started thinking about TLR again and forgot) that we can still DFA Mazara in ST can't we, without a substantial penalty, even if we tender him?

I know teams can do that, they can sign a guy and then cut him during ST and they only have to pay the league minimum or something.  Can't they do that with Mazara?  If so and they can, I think you have to hold onto Mazara just in case, then plan to trade him or cut him in ST if you get another RF.

I think it’s closer to 20% of their salary, but I could be wrong.

[Dick Allen]

There is zero reason to tender him. He won't get anywhere near that from another team.. Offer him a couple of million if it appears you aren't going to get a big bat. If he turns it down, let him walk.  I am not against bringing him back, but he will have to take his market rate which isn't very high. 

[South Side Hit Men]

 

40 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said:

Then question: what do the Sox do if they nontender Nomar, then Springer and Joc both sign elsewhere?  Who else is out there?

The answer is not much, see below. That's why I voted tender and yes, and TLR is a pathetic drunk. But would much rather sign someone next week if the Sox are looking to cut ties with Mazara. Boyer is the only one talking to media these days since the Tony LaRussa hostage crises began.

Outfield Free Agents per MLB excluding players with a projected fWAR under 1.0.

Nomar Mazara 2021 Projection: (Jake Cave ahead of him ha ha). Also, 22 HRs (fWAR = ha ha ha ha)

Name		Team	G	PA	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	R	RBI	BB	SO	HBP	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	wOBA	Fld	BsR	WAR
Jake Cave		Twins	122	470	426	109	25	5	17	60	62	34	141	6	3	2	.256	.318	.458	.775	.325	-6.9	-0.5	1.1
Nomar Mazara		White Sox	129	523	475	120	23	2	22	62	70	38	126	5	3	1	.253	.312	.448	.760	.318	-1.6	-0.1	1.0

Bold is 2021 fWAR projection

MLB Free Agent List

WAR Projections

Left Field: Michael Brantley (34 years old, 5.5 2020 MLB WAR) 2.0; Jackson Profar (28, 2.7) 1.9; Brett Gardner (37, 4.2) 1.1

Center Field: Jackie Bradley Jr. (31, 2.8) 1.4

Right Field: Adam Eaton (32, 1.9) 2.0; Hunter Renfroe (29, 1.5) 1.7; Yasiel Puig (30, 1.2) 1.6

From this list, don't like Brantley/Gardner (old) or Eaton (assclown).

Profar, Bradley Jr. and Renfroe are left among possibilities, Puig is a wild card gamble and can also be seen as disruptive. Bradley Jr. would be my primary target for his defense and ability to play CF.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2020 by South Side Hit Men

[Dominikk85]

34 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said:

Can Brantley really handle RF though?  I'm definitely worried about the defense out there.  Not that Nomar was all that great but I don't want to get worse.  I just think of Brantley as a LF/DH at this point.

I'd be interested in Starling Marte if the price is right.  It's the Marlins so he has to be on the block.

Bradley is still a plus fielder out there in the outfield. Uzr has him slightly positive in center

[Chicago White Sox]

2 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said:

Bradley is still a plus fielder out there in the outfield. Uzr has him slightly positive in center

Does he have the arm for RF?  And does playing the field on a regular basis impact his ability to stay healthy?

[bmags]

1 minute ago, Dominikk85 said:

Bradley is still a plus fielder out there in the outfield. Uzr has him slightly positive in center

Man I damn near went cross eyed looking at this post until I caught that I’m you responded to a post about Michael Brantley with Jackie Bradley jr. Brantley is very much not positive in center.

[bmags]

I’m now completely confused who people are talking about.

[poppysox]

No by a wide margin.  If need be...he will always be available at about 1/2 price down the road.

[Chicago White Sox]

Just now, bmags said:

Man I damn near went cross eyed looking at this post until I caught that I’m you responded to a post about Michael Brantley with Jackie Bradley jr. Brantley is very much not positive in center.

Lol...I was wondering the same thing, but didn’t catch that

[Jack Parkman]

2 minutes ago, bmags said:

I’m now completely confused who people are talking about.

Some people are confusing Michael Brantley and Jackie Bradley Jr. 

Hint: Don't use Brantley and Bradley, use Brantley and JBJ. People will know who is who there. 

Edited November 29, 2020 by Jack Parkman

[chitownsportsfan]

Does a bear shit in the woods?

[Chicago White Sox]

8 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Does a bear shit in the woods?

So you want to tender him?

[southsider2k5]

How come no LMAO choice?

[ScootsMcGoots]

He isn't a good fielder..if he can't hit then why have him? Id rather Start Engel who atleast showed he can finally hit now, and even if he sucks at hitting again, at least he provides fielding, speed and baserunning.