bmags Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 You could probably fill out the best tools section in your sleep. https://www.baseballamerica.com/teams/1026/chicago-white-sox/organizational/?year=2021&type=P Pretty chalk which is fine 1. Vaughn 2. Kopech 3. Madrigal 4. Dunning 5. Crochet 6. Kelley 7. Thompson 8. Stiever 9. Dalquist 10. l Gonzalez I think I'm going Thompson over Dalquist, but i'm sure for them these lists are pretty hard with little to go off of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 I'll give one cool note on vaughn: "When Vaughn joined the White Sox, the team wanted to install a concrete, day-to-day routine that would help him manage the grind of professional baseball. He settled on one that featured a front-flip drill designed to keep his legs underneath him during his swing, and evaluators inside the organization say it has helped him become a better hitter. Vaughn does an excellent job keeping his upper and lower halves synced throughout the course of his swing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 I saw enough last year from both to put Crochet 3rd and feel comfortable with it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 The list is pretty what you'd expect but those with BA subscriptions, the scouting reports are really great. Clearly lots of stuff pulled from Schaumburg, and it makes sense all the hitters and pitchers in top ten were there. Here is one last tid bit on Thompson, whom they call "the best athlete in the system": "Thompson’s fastball now sits 92-95 mph and touches 97 with carry through the strike zone. He’s always shown an advanced feel to spin the ball, and now his curveball is a bona fide plus pitch in the low 80s with better-defined break. His changeup is a clear third pitch but flashes average. Thompson’s whippy arm action limits his control to fringe-average, but he throws enough strikes to project a starter." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Crochet should be number 1. Sue me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Crochet should be number 1. Sue me Agreed. I've always said he'd have been a 1-1 candidate with a full NCAA baseball season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 One other thing is it pretty much puts stiever at what we saw now, 92-93. I'm going to guess that's not just majors but also what he was in Schaumburg considering so much of the other reports were based on schaumburg notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, fathom said: I saw enough last year from both to put Crochet 3rd and feel comfortable with it. I’d personally flip Crochet and Nick and then also flip 1 and 2 but that’s personal preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrankinSox Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Crochet should be number 1. Sue me He certainly should be ahead of Dunning and Madrigal. His ceiling is a legitimate Ace, best pitcher on the planet. Not sure how they factor injury risk into these rankings but if you don't factor in injury risk, his floor is a lights out back-end of the bullpen arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, bmags said: One other thing is it pretty much puts stiever at what we saw now, 92-93. I'm going to guess that's not just majors but also what he was in Schaumburg considering so much of the other reports were based on schaumburg notes. That's what he always was before that crazy jump he made last year. Like I said in the other thread it makes no sense that they exposed him this year knowing his stuff was that far down. They destroyed his value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, Harold's Leg Lift said: That's what he always was before that crazy jump he made last year. Like I said in the other thread it makes no sense that they exposed him this year knowing his stuff was that far down. They destroyed his value. They were desperate for pitchers at the point they brought him up. I don't think it was a want to more than a have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: They were desperate for pitchers at the point they brought him up. I don't think it was a want to more than a have to. ^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Where's Avery Weems at? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: They were desperate for pitchers at the point they brought him up. I don't think it was a want to more than a have to. They're never that desparate to expose a prospect who was clearly not ready. They could have done a bullpen game or started Flores, Lopez or some other bum in Schaumburg. The FO made a horrible decision and it's going to hurt them this off season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They're never that desparate to expose a prospect who was clearly not ready. They could have done a bullpen game or started Flores, Lopez or some other bum in Schaumburg. The FO made a horrible decision and it's going to hurt them this off season. Yep could have just used Flores to pitch batting practice to the Reds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 This list just reminds me what a sick draft we had this year. Pitching is volatile and all that, but kind of amazing we may have ended up with two top-10 type players in one draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, 35thstreetswarm said: This list just reminds me what a sick draft we had this year. Pitching is volatile and all that, but kind of amazing we may have ended up with two top-10 type players in one draft. Teams really overthought it with Kelley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They're never that desparate to expose a prospect who was clearly not ready. They could have done a bullpen game or started Flores, Lopez or some other bum in Schaumburg. The FO made a horrible decision and it's going to hurt them this off season. They did use Lopez. They had nine different starters in 60 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Crochet #1 no way for me. He pitched 9 innings and couldn’t stay healthy. Love his stuff, but his health scares the crap out me (Shoulder and elbow). Hate to be a downer, but TJ is in his future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said: Where's Avery Weems at? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, PolishPrince34 said: Crochet #1 no way for me. He pitched 9 innings and couldn’t stay healthy. Love his stuff, but his health scares the crap out me (Shoulder and elbow). Hate to be a downer, but TJ is in his future. He's a newer, shinier, pre-Tommy-Johnnier version of Kopech. Loves me some Crochet, but Kopech is still ahead of him in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 I'd have it 1. Vaughn 2. Kopech 3. Crochet 4. Madrigal 5. Kelley 6. Dunning 7. Dalquist 8. Stiever 9. Thompson. Vera is in here too as soon as that becomes official. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesterday333 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I'd have it 1. Vaughn 2. Kopech 3. Crochet 4. Madrigal 5. Kelley 6. Dunning 7. Dalquist 8. Stiever 9. Thompson. Vera is in here too as soon as that becomes official. If we get Colas is he in there too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 Man I am excited to see our HS guys in the minors this year. I hope Kanny includes Dalquist, Thompson and Kelley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 That's still a pretty deep top ten. Granted 5 of those guys are like a couple weeks from being pulled off the list, but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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