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Is simply taking the contracts of Darvish AND Heyward a fair trade?  
 

I think that’s 124 Million over 3 years.  
 

Heyward probably gives you 2WAR per year and Darvish another 3.  If you buy into new Super Darvish then he’s giving you 4-6.  
 

For negotiating though it’s 5WAR per year for 40M per year.  There is definitely opportunity for surplus value but plenty of opportunity for meh.  
 

Does that make it a wash?

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10 minutes ago, Jerksticks said:

Is simply taking the contracts of Darvish AND Heyward a fair trade?  
 

I think that’s 124 Million over 3 years.  
 

Heyward probably gives you 2WAR per year and Darvish another 3.  If you buy into new Super Darvish then he’s giving you 4-6.  
 

For negotiating though it’s 5WAR per year for 40M per year.  There is definitely opportunity for surplus value but plenty of opportunity for meh.  
 

Does that make it a wash?

If they're going to do that, then do Harper/Wheeler instead if Middleton is blowing smoke up the media's ass. 

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3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

difference is only 300 million dollars so practically the same thing.

Like I said, Jerry is 85. Probably not his problem eventually. 

That being said, I think he might have a stroke if Hahn came to him with that deal. 

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I think if the Sox took all of the salary on the deal would be like Lopez + Collins + Engel + Sheets

But I think if Darvish and Heyward came here that the Sox would get Heyward at about $15M or less, no money back on Darvish, and then Dunning is the centerpiece.  Lopez is probably in it also and the Cubs get 4 or 5 pieces

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3 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said:

I think if the Sox took all of the salary on the deal would be like Lopez + Collins + Engel + Sheets

But I think if Darvish and Heyward came here that the Sox would get Heyward at about $15M or less, no money back on Darvish, and then Dunning is the centerpiece.  Lopez is probably in it also and the Cubs get 4 or 5 pieces

Jerry isn't taking 45M/year, when one is sunk cost. 

I'm obviously joking when I talk about Harper. Wheeler, not so much. 

If they get Darvish or Wheeler  and take the money I don't expect anything else this winter. 

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5 minutes ago, fathom said:

Then Cubs would ask for a boatload just for Yu

Yu is 34 and is owed $23M/yr over the next 3 years. I don't think there will be a lot of takers. The value in the deal is  entirely taking on the contract. Again, Cease+filler and that's it. Otherwise, Tom can pay him. 

Kopech or Vaughn is a complete nonstarter on any deal for these guys. 

Weaponize payroll space. Find out just how desperate owners are to shed salary. 

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2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Yu is 34 and is owed $23M/yr over the next 3 years. I don't think there will be a lot of takers. The value in the deal is  entirely taking on the contract. Again, Cease+filler and that's it. Otherwise, Tom can pay him. 

Kopech or Vaughn is a complete nonstarter on any deal for these guys. 

You are insane. There would be plenty of takers.

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By the sounds of it, the Cubs ownership might rather use Darvish to dump Heyward than get quality prospects back.

I compare Darvish to Javy Vazquez a lot because of the ups and downs etc.  Think about the Javy Vazquez trade to the Braves: centerpiece of Flowers plus Lillibridge as a kind of bust as a 2nd piece then theyre first rounder with no power whoever he was and wilcard lefthanded throwing 100 but cant hit the broadside of a barn.  That might be a similar deal for Darvish now without Heyward.  Its still obviously not a ton.  I bet the Ricketts would rather dump money.

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2 minutes ago, fathom said:

He has no idea how much TOR starters are valued in this weak pitching market.

I'll hold on to my guys and pay money then. 

I think there might be 5-7 teams that are buying this winter and the remainder are standing pat and selling. I expect an extreme buyers market. 

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2 minutes ago, fathom said:

For who besides Bauer?

I'll take my chances that one of the kids steps up and go with Kluber and Quintana. 

Also, if most teams spend like a normal offseason it gives MLBPA all of the leverage in 2022 to call shenanigans about the owners crying poor. 

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