RagahRagah Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, striker said: Gimme Lynn and Gallo then Darvish and Bryant. Re-sign Colome. Wrap it and put a bow on it. I'm not a fan of emptying the entire farm system, LOL. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: This guy needs his own threads for his random tweets? Just dump it in the Winter Meetings thread and we can all ignore it More threads for people to complain about insiders in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Is simply taking the contracts of Darvish AND Heyward a fair trade? I think that’s 124 Million over 3 years. Heyward probably gives you 2WAR per year and Darvish another 3. If you buy into new Super Darvish then he’s giving you 4-6. For negotiating though it’s 5WAR per year for 40M per year. There is definitely opportunity for surplus value but plenty of opportunity for meh. Does that make it a wash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I'm sorry but I want nothing to do with Heyward for 3 years and 60 some million. He is so overrated and just garbage at the plate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jerksticks said: Is simply taking the contracts of Darvish AND Heyward a fair trade? I think that’s 124 Million over 3 years. Heyward probably gives you 2WAR per year and Darvish another 3. If you buy into new Super Darvish then he’s giving you 4-6. For negotiating though it’s 5WAR per year for 40M per year. There is definitely opportunity for surplus value but plenty of opportunity for meh. Does that make it a wash? If they're going to do that, then do Harper/Wheeler instead if Middleton is blowing smoke up the media's ass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: If they're going to do that, then do Harper/Wheeler instead if Middleton is blowing smoke up the media's ass. difference is only 300 million dollars so practically the same thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: difference is only 300 million dollars so practically the same thing. Like I said, Jerry is 85. Probably not his problem eventually. That being said, I think he might have a stroke if Hahn came to him with that deal. Edited December 8, 2020 by Jack Parkman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I think if the Sox took all of the salary on the deal would be like Lopez + Collins + Engel + Sheets But I think if Darvish and Heyward came here that the Sox would get Heyward at about $15M or less, no money back on Darvish, and then Dunning is the centerpiece. Lopez is probably in it also and the Cubs get 4 or 5 pieces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: I think if the Sox took all of the salary on the deal would be like Lopez + Collins + Engel + Sheets But I think if Darvish and Heyward came here that the Sox would get Heyward at about $15M or less, no money back on Darvish, and then Dunning is the centerpiece. Lopez is probably in it also and the Cubs get 4 or 5 pieces Jerry isn't taking 45M/year, when one is sunk cost. I'm obviously joking when I talk about Harper. Wheeler, not so much. If they get Darvish or Wheeler and take the money I don't expect anything else this winter. Edited December 8, 2020 by Jack Parkman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Jack Parkman said: Jerry isn't taking 45M/year, when one is sunk cost. If they get Darvish and take his money I don't expect anything else. Then Cubs would ask for a boatload just for Yu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I could see a combined 3/$124 for Darivish and Heyward having more appeal to JR’s operating constraints than 5/$125 for Springer or whatever 9 figure outlay inks Bauer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, fathom said: Then Cubs would ask for a boatload just for Yu Yu is 34 and is owed $23M/yr over the next 3 years. I don't think there will be a lot of takers. The value in the deal is entirely taking on the contract. Again, Cease+filler and that's it. Otherwise, Tom can pay him. Kopech or Vaughn is a complete nonstarter on any deal for these guys. Weaponize payroll space. Find out just how desperate owners are to shed salary. Edited December 8, 2020 by Jack Parkman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Yu is 34 and is owed $23M/yr over the next 3 years. I don't think there will be a lot of takers. The value in the deal is entirely taking on the contract. Again, Cease+filler and that's it. Otherwise, Tom can pay him. Kopech or Vaughn is a complete nonstarter on any deal for these guys. You are insane. There would be plenty of takers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, bmags said: You are insane. There would be plenty of takers. In a normal offseason? Sure. This particular offseason? Probably not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 By the sounds of it, the Cubs ownership might rather use Darvish to dump Heyward than get quality prospects back. I compare Darvish to Javy Vazquez a lot because of the ups and downs etc. Think about the Javy Vazquez trade to the Braves: centerpiece of Flowers plus Lillibridge as a kind of bust as a 2nd piece then theyre first rounder with no power whoever he was and wilcard lefthanded throwing 100 but cant hit the broadside of a barn. That might be a similar deal for Darvish now without Heyward. Its still obviously not a ton. I bet the Ricketts would rather dump money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, bmags said: You are insane. There would be plenty of takers. He has no idea how much TOR starters are valued in this weak pitching market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, fathom said: He has no idea how much TOR starters are valued in this weak pitching market. I'll hold on to my guys and pay money then. I think there might be 5-7 teams that are buying this winter and the remainder are standing pat and selling. I expect an extreme buyers market. Edited December 8, 2020 by Jack Parkman 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Jack Parkman said: I'll hold on to my guys and pay money then. For who besides Bauer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Trying to somewhat equal the value of the Javy to ATL trade at the time: Dunning + Collins/Lopez + Rutherford + live armed lower minors guy or Burdi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, fathom said: For who besides Bauer? I'll take my chances that one of the kids steps up and go with Kluber and Quintana. Also, if most teams spend like a normal offseason it gives MLBPA all of the leverage in 2022 to call shenanigans about the owners crying poor. Edited December 8, 2020 by Jack Parkman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, fathom said: He has no idea how much TOR starters are valued in this weak pitching market. He had 1/2 of 2019 and all 3/8 of the season that was 2020. No GM in the league thinks hes DeGrom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Jack Parkman said: I'll take my chances of one of the kids stepping up and go with Kluber and Quintana. Gross....and by all accounts Kluber is going back east also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Darvish has 3/$59 left according to Baseball-Reference - $22M, $19M, & $18M. His age might deter but he won't be lacking for suitors if he is on the market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, fathom said: Gross....and by all accounts Kluber is going back east also BTW, if Jerry won't go 5/125 on Springer I'd think Darvish is out of the question as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Jack Parkman said: BTW, if Jerry won't go 5/125 on Springer I'd think Darvish is out of the question as well. I don’t even know where to start with this one. It’s easy, pitching is more important to them than an outfielder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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