Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: Stay in context what are the increases to the salaries for next year. Not everyone is making the same as last year that are under contract. SSk25 said it's about $30 million, but certainly that should be built in as part of the rebuild, correct? If you are going for it, you don't have the same or arb increased salary as you did when you first began. If the White Sox 2020 payroll is their ceiling, the sustained winning everyone wants isn't happening. These one year shots are probably the way to go. We were told otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Harry Chappas Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Bauer is the big splash and he only costs you money. Why can't the Sox ever sign the top guy? It's like they never even tried. Because their contract is bad before the ink is even dry as will Bauer's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Bauer is the big splash and he only costs you money. Why can't the Sox ever sign the top guy? It's like they never even tried. Grandal set JR's pocketbook back until he's in the grave, in his mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, maloney.adam said: Bravo James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: And on top of that, Weems was a discount 6th rounder. That was our dalquist/thompson/beard year that needed heavy savings. All of us just looked at those dudes as senior signs. And even more excitement: instructs showed revamped stuff for Kade McClure and Isaiah Carranza. They are finding more value out of existing guys. Hansen was specifically mentioned for McClure - he found him more velo. Suddenly the hostetler drafts are starting to look good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: Because their contract is bad before the ink is even dry as will Bauer's. How has trading for big inning guys with one year on their contract worked out for the Sox? Wells? Not so go, but they gave up basically nothing, Colon? Not so good, but they gave up basically nothing? Jeff S? Pretty bad. Lynn? TBD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 The secret network of insiders rides again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: SSk25 said it's about $30 million, but certainly that should be built in as part of the rebuild, correct? If you are going for it, you don't have the same or arb increased salary as you did when you first began. If the White Sox 2020 payroll is their ceiling, the sustained winning everyone wants isn't happening. These one year shots are probably the way to go. We were told otherwise. So if they have $30M to spend as in the current environment I do not think they will increase payroll year over year, not tying it all up in Bauer as opposed to Lynn, $10M on a RF and $10M on another pitcher or DH makes more sense to me. I still think they extend him as well and it is Dunning for four years of Lynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: How has trading for big inning guys with one year on their contract worked out for the Sox? Wells? Not so go, but they gave up basically nothing, Colon? Not so good, but they gave up basically nothing? Jeff S? Pretty bad. Lynn? TBD. I like Bauer a lot and would be thrilled to sign him, but come on, just because trades 20 years ago didn't work out means very little. Lots of teams trade for players every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: How has trading for big inning guys with one year on their contract worked out for the Sox? Wells? Not so go, but they gave up basically nothing, Colon? Not so good, but they gave up basically nothing? Jeff S? Pretty bad. Lynn? TBD. Yea but Freddy and Contreras and Loaiza(ha!) worked out, if we are gonna be digging in the early 2000s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, bmags said: This is going to be unpopular but I'm ok being fairly year by year with the backend of our pitching rotation. Totally agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: How has trading for big inning guys with one year on their contract worked out for the Sox? Wells? Not so go, but they gave up basically nothing, Colon? Not so good, but they gave up basically nothing? Jeff S? Pretty bad. Lynn? TBD. How did it work with Freddy Garcia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Bauer is the big splash and he only costs you money. Why can't the Sox ever sign the top guy? It's like they never even tried. Jerry would never pay 30 mil a year for a pitcher. It is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 So cliffs on the Stone interview please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, fathom said: Totally agree Isn't every team in that boat of an unknown back end of the rotation where it is youth or flyers in that role. Injuries and inability to progress make it so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Harry Chappas said: How did it work with Freddy Garcia? They signed him right away. That worked out well. He didn't even have a year left. So they are hitting .250. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, fathom said: Jerry would never pay 30 mil a year for a pitcher. It is what it is. Then the White Sox are never going to have this sustained success everyone dreams about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: How did it work with Freddy Garcia? So 1-4 with a HR and 3 Ks? Thought this board was tiring of TTO hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, fathom said: So cliffs on the Stone interview please? Mostly about DA. He said maybe they are talking to Springer but then talked about the need for LHH. Wasn't a lot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: Isn't every team in that boat of an unknown back end of the rotation where it is youth or flyers in that role. Injuries and inability to progress make it so. Yes but soxtalk seems to want all 5 spots locked down for the next 6 years Edited December 8, 2020 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Dam8610 said: So 1-4 with a HR and 3 Ks? Thought this board was tiring of TTO hitters. I mentioned three others. Honestly if we are critiquing this based on guys acquired in 01 and 03, we have a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 The White Sox have a lot of position players locked up beyond this, but the realistic window to win a World Series is through 2023 right now. If they extend Giolito beyond that or Cease/Kopech break out then I could be convinced otherwise. This significantly strengthens the rotation for one of the three years you have to be realistic contenders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Reaction: People overreact one way or the other on deals way too early. Take a deep breath, do some research and then provide analysis. First blush reaction: It's fair market value for Lynn. If we did this trade in July or August when Dunning still hadn't started for us I have a feeling we'd have a different reaction. I don't love the idea of trading a Quintana, Keuchel, Garland-lite type of player who would have filled a nice 3/4 spot in the rotation for 5-6 years to come at an affordable price for a 1 year deal. However, if you believe how the Sox have been talking (or who they have been targeting in Gray, Marquez, Snell) then you'd have to think the idea behind this trade is to then extend him for a reasonable price. I think it also shows our mentality during this run that we're going to be more along the lines of the Rays, Twins, A's, Brewers, etc during this window. Meaning, we're obviously not going after the Machado/Harper/Cole/Bauer/Springer's of the world. We want to win with pitchers on 3-4 year deals at $10-15mm max. I think this is a fair trade at market value, however I think it favors the Rangers if we are unable, or don't extend Lynn on a 3/4yr deal at $11-15mm per year. I'd take him at 3 year, $40mm, option to extend for $15mm on year 4. We do that? Then i think this is a win in the sense you upgraded a Dunning (3/4 type guy in the rotation) to a Lynn (2/3 type guy in the rotation). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, fathom said: Yes but soxtalk seems to want all 5 spots locked down for the next 6 years Exactly, even though we can't count on having an MVP abreu or even Giolito and Anderson after 2024 (3?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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