Gtrams42 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Would y’all prefer Darvish, Heyward, Colome with no financial room for moves the next 2 years or Lynn, Pederson, Hendriks and room to make a move mid season/next offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Gtrams42 said: Would y’all prefer Darvish, Heyward, Colome with no financial room for moves the next 2 years or Lynn, Pederson, Hendriks and room to make a move mid season/next offseason 2nd easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Also forgot to add, I do like that we didn't pull the trigger on a Snell or Marquez deal. Much rather would give up Dunning in a trade rather than Vaughn & Kopech. Also, call me crazy, but you wouldn't have to give anything if you just signed Bauer for 4 years at $40-42mm per year & you instantly would be a Top 4 team in Vegas to win WS. Plus you wouldn't be breaking Reinsdorf's rule of going over 4 years on a pitcher. But that makes too much sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Gtrams42 said: Would y’all prefer Darvish, Heyward, Colome with no financial room for moves the next 2 years or Lynn, Pederson, Hendriks and room to make a move mid season/next offseason The one thing about Heyward is with the money we were getting back, he becomes more moveable to us anyway. I like Darvish more than Lynn. But I do like having the flexibility. I could see us really making our bullpen stronger this year with the extra budget to hedge against regressions from younger guys that only pitched realistically like 1/4 of a season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I mentioned three others. Honestly if we are critiquing this based on guys acquired in 01 and 03, we have a problem. It's pretty much the same decision makers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Gtrams42 said: Would y’all prefer Darvish, Heyward, Colome with no financial room for moves the next 2 years or Lynn, Pederson, Hendriks and room to make a move mid season/next offseason What moves do we need to make past those? It's kind of like GarPax thinking. Eventually using flexibility takes priority over flexibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, fathom said: So cliffs on the Stone interview please? Lynn knows how to pitch, and Dick Allen played a practical joke on Steve Stone when he arrived with the White Sox, telling him he was traded a week after being acquired, and ditching him for dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 But why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) Underrated aspect of this trade is that it makes our bullpen better too by taking innings away from the worst guys. Hell, our bullpen practically died of fatigue after just 60 games last year. Taking away Dunning and adding Lynn's 200 innings is a MASSIVE boon for our relief corp. Suddenly, if Gio or Dallas has a short outing you don't have to wait a whole trip through the rotation just to get back to a guy who can reliably get you 6 innings again. Edited December 8, 2020 by gusguyman 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, BrianAnderson said: Also forgot to add, I do like that we didn't pull the trigger on a Snell or Marquez deal. Much rather would give up Dunning in a trade rather than Vaughn & Kopech. Also, call me crazy, but you wouldn't have to give anything if you just signed Bauer for 4 years at $40-42mm per year & you instantly would be a Top 4 team in Vegas to win WS. Plus you wouldn't be breaking Reinsdorf's rule of going over 4 years on a pitcher. But that makes too much sense Agreed 100% on those other pitching deals. Dunning was really the ONLY expendable pitcher with value since Katz is adamant about keeping Cease (Which means they see something major). Kopech and Vaugn should be untouchable, except for Woodruff, DeGrom or maybe Gallen. This trade becomes a slam dunk if they sign Bauer...but, yeah, not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, gusguyman said: Underrated aspect of this trade is that it makes our bullpen better too by taking innings away from the worst guys. Hell, our bullpen practically died of fatigue after just 60 games last year. Taking away Dunning and adding Lynn's 200 innings is a MASSIVE boon for our relief corp. Suddenly, if Gio or Dallas has a short outing you don't have to wait a whole trip through the rotation just to get back to a guy who can reliably get you 6 innings again. This is true. man some of those weeks where cease/lopez couldn't get through their starts and then we had a bullpen day next were rough (or a 3 inning start from gio). This is where the durability part of Quintana too shouldn't be discounted, though I feel like we can use Lynn's to take a flyer on a high upside guy like Kluber/Paxton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I would be fully in on the off-season if these were the remaining moves Extend Lynn for 2 years at like $15 million per year Sign Joc Pederson to a 1 or 2 year deal Sign Michael Brantley to a 2 or 3 year deal Sign Colome, Hendriks, or Hand Sign a starter on the Quintana/Paxton tier for 1 year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Dam8610 said: So 1-4 with a HR and 3 Ks? Thought this board was tiring of TTO hitters. Look in the short term then of Hanh's move and if you think he is hitting on 1 out of every four trades then you are right. You can think what you want but the opening day roster is stronger now than it was yesterday and the minor league system lost they #6 rated cost controlled pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 33 minutes ago, bmags said: This is going to be unpopular but I'm ok being fairly year by year with the backend of our pitching rotation. I said exactly this in the extension thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Bauer is the big splash and he only costs you money. Why can't the Sox ever sign the top guy? It's like they never even tried. Not true. Doesn’t signing Bauer cost you a draft pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, TomPickle said: I would be fully in on the off-season if these were the remaining moves Extend Lynn for 2 years at like $15 million per year Sign Joc Pederson to a 1 or 2 year deal Sign Michael Brantley to a 2 or 3 year deal Sign Colome, Hendriks, or Hand Sign a starter on the Quintana/Paxton tier for 1 year I love brantley's bat, but man I really want it to be planned for as a DH. I do not want sox to use Robert as a cure-all for outfield defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gtrams42 said: Would y’all prefer Darvish, Heyward, Colome with no financial room for moves the next 2 years or Lynn, Pederson, Hendriks and room to make a move mid season/next offseason The difference is if you deal all of your depth, in the first scenario you have guys you can go to internally, or deal externally to make a move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I don't hate the move, I can really like it if we invest in other pieces. I still think this team needs another starter with the uncertainty of Cease/Kopech. If it's just Lynn/Joc then I'm going to be disappointed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, bmags said: I love brantley's bat, but man I really want it to be planned for as a DH. I do not want sox to use Robert as a cure-all for outfield defense. That's why I have them getting Pederson and Brantley. I wouldn't want Brantley to have to do anything other than play a handful of games in LF for when Eloy injures himself misplaying a ball. Also, Vaughn and Kopech for Blake Snell becomes more palatable if you were to lock Brantley up for a few years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, Gtrams42 said: Would y’all prefer Darvish, Heyward, Colome with no financial room for moves the next 2 years or Lynn, Pederson, Hendriks and room to make a move mid season/next offseason Do we really have financial room with the second option and JR not wanting to spend big? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Gtrams42 said: Would y’all prefer Darvish, Heyward, Colome with no financial room for moves the next 2 years or Lynn, Pederson, Hendriks and room to make a move mid season/next offseason Option A makes you the AL favorite the next three seasons. And there wouldn't be a need to add at the trade deadline anything more than cosmetic pieces. Option A also significantly improves outfield defense. Late in games you could move Eloy to DH and have an outfield of Engel, Robert, and Heyward. Edited December 8, 2020 by SonofaRoache 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, TomPickle said: That's why I have them getting Pederson and Brantley. I wouldn't want Brantley to have to do anything other than play a handful of games in LF for when Eloy injures himself misplaying a ball. Also, Vaughn and Kopech for Blake Snell becomes more palatable if you were to lock Brantley up for a few years. God, we've murdered our minor leagues in one offseason if we did that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, TomPickle said: That's why I have them getting Pederson and Brantley. I wouldn't want Brantley to have to do anything other than play a handful of games in LF for when Eloy injures himself misplaying a ball. Also, Vaughn and Kopech for Blake Snell becomes more palatable if you were to lock Brantley up for a few years. No I know, sorry should have clarified why I quoted. We are just seeing a lot of "sox looking at RF, sights on brantley". That's fine if he is out there for some 25 games, but not for 150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 This forum doesn't have a panic button...it has a panic trampoline and everyone is jumping up and down on it! ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Is it just me or are people upset the Sox got closer to being a World Series caliber team? They have to be one of the best, what 2-3 teams in the AL now, by a wide margin right? They didn't scuttle their chances of still having a great rotation under control right? Kopech, Cease, Crochet, Thompson, Dahlquist, Lambert, Steiver, Lopez still all on board? Better crop of free agent pitchers available next offseason if Lynn walks? Check. The team is better today than it was last year. What AL teams have a better pitching staff than the Sox do now? Which NL teams for that matter? Not too many. Though I would still expect another FA starter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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