YourWhatHurts Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 So we have him for 1 year at a rate probably 10m or so below his market value. He also supposedly had a down later portion of the year last year. We have some leverage if we want it. We can offer to rip up the current deal and offer say 3/45 or 3/50 or something less. I dont like the deal but I am thinking about justifying the price paid now. An extension helps justify the price paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capital G Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2/30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) The title of this thread got me all excited thinking that we already extended him. Lol Edited December 8, 2020 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Lamar Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 It is a really good environment right now for a team to have players on one year deals. I'd like to see how our internal players develop before clogging up the rotation with big contracts. If things go well this year, the Sox may be only looking for a #5 type next year and maybe not even that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: The title of this thread got me all excited thinking that we already extended him. Lol Same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Capital G said: 2/30 Do you mean 1 year 22m on top of what he has or 2 years 15m per on top of what he has? Because the first number is already well above the QO and the second number isnt enticing enough to forego FA imo. I think we should offer 2/36 on top of what he has then so maybe its 3/44 and then we add another 1+m for 2021 as incentive if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capital G Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Pay him what he's owed this year. Then next 22 n 23 15 per Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 Actually though if theres a lockout next year... Hes older... Maybe an extra 2/30 would appeal to him. But i think it would cost a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 I see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Is he qualifying offer eligible? If so your one year extension is about 19 million as a floor? Everyone saying this guy is Bauer quality so how much less would he ask for on one year? I doubt he is thinking low but he is older. How much risk is each side willing to take. If he pitches good , what would Yankees or Boston offer cause that’s what you’re up against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, BamaDoc said: Is he qualifying offer eligible? If so your one year extension is about 19 million as a floor? Everyone saying this guy is Bauer quality so how much less would he ask for on one year? I doubt he is thinking low but he is older. How much risk is each side willing to take. If he pitches good , what would Yankees or Boston offer cause that’s what you’re up against. Sox can’t offer QO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, BamaDoc said: Is he qualifying offer eligible? If so your one year extension is about 19 million as a floor? Everyone saying this guy is Bauer quality so how much less would he ask for on one year? I doubt he is thinking low but he is older. How much risk is each side willing to take. If he pitches good , what would Yankees or Boston offer cause that’s what you’re up against. I don't believe he is. But he would jump all over it if we could offer him one. Edited December 8, 2020 by manbearpuig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I am thinking because of his age, if he would accept a 1 year deal with an option that would be ideal. However, I would think the Sox would have to offer at least 2 years guaranteed to have him bite on an extension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, Superstar Lamar said: It is a really good environment right now for a team to have players on one year deals. I'd like to see how our internal players develop before clogging up the rotation with big contracts. If things go well this year, the Sox may be only looking for a #5 type next year and maybe not even that. I hope our prospects and young MLBers develop like we should want them to. If that happens, we can always eat some money on the back end of a Keuchel and/or Lynn deal to get a quality prospect back and/or some MLB pieces that better fit the puzzle at a later date. I like having the ability to trade a SP even with 1 year left only. Sure you might have to eat some money, but let's say you have to eat $5M, you can get a prospect or some MLB player contracts which you otherwise could not buy for $5M outright. Having to make room for quality players is good. So for that reason I would try to extend him (and also to justify the expense here, which isn't always a great move but which I think is a logical move in this situation). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 My answer (Yes, 2 years) is contingent on a decent price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, wegner said: I am thinking because of his age, if he would accept a 1 year deal with an option that would be ideal. However, I would think the Sox would have to offer at least 2 years guaranteed to have him bite on an extension. Agree. Best compromise IMO is 2 guaranteed years in 2022-23 + TO on 2024. Some of the guaranteed money he wants can be put into in the buyout of the TO, e.g. maybe there's an $8M TO buyout but it costs like $12 or $13M more to bring him back, something like that. Edited December 8, 2020 by YourWhatHurts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, fathom said: Sox can’t offer QO why? He will have played the entire year with us. I believe we can (if that's still a thing in 2021) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 For those who say no in this poll, do you at least admit the Sox lost this trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Absolutely. Lock him up thru 2023, which also aligns with the team’s control on Giolito and Keuchel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: For those who say no in this poll, do you at least admit the Sox lost this trade? "Do you admit" makes it sound like I ever thought otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 You traded a solid piece for him so give him another two years with a team option for year 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, SonofaRoache said: You traded a solid piece for him so give him another two years with a team option for year 3. This is the exact type of trade you and I were discussing yesterday and the type of move an org like the Dodgers or Astros makes. Now finish it off with a short extension and it’s a huge win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I don’t know why an extension wasn’t agreed upon before the trade was made but whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: I don’t know why an extension wasn’t agreed upon before the trade was made but whatever. Perhaps it's close. Rosenthal reporting he was talking extension with Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 LOVE the idea of rework his deal for this year. 3/45-50 is perfect. Also still allows for another starter signing and gives you a strong 3 year window with everyone on board, while still allowing the future to get it figured out (Crochet, Dalquist, Kelley). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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