Rounding_Third Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I really think they want to give Collins a shot. It’s really now or never time for him. Perhaps but I think it would be very risky and incredibly shortsighted of them to be "all in" with Collins when a quality veteran backup is so inexpensive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, Rounding_Third said: Perhaps but I think it would be very risky and incredibly shortsighted of them to be "all in" with Collins when a quality veteran backup is so inexpensive. This is the point most miss. They are not "all in" for this year. If so, they would be trading away more prospects. They want to have prolonged shots at the playoffs with the team and prospects they have. In MLB as long as you make the playoffs you have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said: Perhaps but I think it would be very risky and incredibly shortsighted of them to be "all in" with Collins when a quality veteran backup is so inexpensive. It may be risky, but they have to decide if he’s an asset worth investing in. If they don’t give him a look now, it’s but over for him with the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: This is the point most miss. They are not "all in" for this year. If so, they would be trading away more prospects. They want to have prolonged shots at the playoffs with the team and prospects they have. In MLB as long as you make the playoffs you have a chance. So are you saying they should give Collins a shot? Because the poster you are quoting is arguing something much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: So are you saying they should give Collins a shot? Because the poster you are quoting is arguing something much different. He is saying that if they are all in than giving Collins a shot doesnt make sense. My point is that the Sox are not all in for this season. They are looking at prolonged success so looking at it from an all in perspective is wrong. Personally I would give Collins a shot as backup and use the resources elsewhere. Edited January 2, 2021 by ptatc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said: Perhaps but I think it would be very risky and incredibly shortsighted of them to be "all in" with Collins when a quality veteran backup is so inexpensive. It’s a back up catcher. They are pretty easy to acquire. If Collins doesn’t work out, he can easily be replaced. You will be able to get a guy like Kevan Smith for a song if need be. Yes, some are far better than others, but most back up catchers are pretty much a pick ‘em. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounding_Third Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, ptatc said: He is saying that if they are all in than giving Collins a shot doesnt make sense. My point is that the Sox are not all in for this season. They are looking at prolonged success so looking at it from an all in perspective is wrong. Personally I would give Collins a shot as backup and use the resources elsewhere. Saying they're not "all in" this year is just wrong. Prolonged success; yes, but it starts this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounding_Third Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: It may be risky, but they have to decide if he’s an asset worth investing in. If they don’t give him a look now, it’s but over for him with the Sox. He's definitely an asset; either as trade material or preferably 3rd string (in Charlotte) for another year to work on his deficiencies and be ready if called upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, runtheballdown said: I’ve only seen Hendricks pitch twice and both times it was against the Sox in the playoffs. I remember thinking while watching him pitch that there was all this hoopla about the guy and he didn’t look overwhelming at all to me. There’s some pitchers that have that little something that makes them virtually unhittable. I didn’t see it with him. Colome on the other hand has that little cutter that hitters struggle with. I’d rather they get another solid starter as they have a lot of bullpen guys already many that have the stuff and mentality to close. Colome isn’t coming back. Even Jesse Rogers mentioned this. Check out YouTube highlights of Hendriks appearances and you’ll see why he’s the top reliever on the market this year. He also has that fire and intensity in him that this team needs out of a closer. Colome didn’t have that. Edited January 2, 2021 by maloney.adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Rounding_Third said: Saying they're not "all in" this year is just wrong. Prolonged success; yes, but it starts this year. If they were all in why didnt they traded for Snell or Darvish? They arent sacrificing the future to win this year. That's what all in implies. Pushing all the chips in to win right now regardless of the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounding_Third Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ptatc said: If they were all in why didnt they traded for Snell or Darvish? They arent sacrificing the future to win this year. That's what all in implies. Pushing all the chips in to win right now regardless of the future. Because they trade for Lynn and going after Hendriks and must extend Giolito the sooner the better. They ain't the Yankees or Dodgers! Edited January 2, 2021 by Rounding_Third Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, ptatc said: He is saying that if they are all in than giving Collins a shot doesnt make sense. My point is that the Sox are not all in for this season. They are looking at prolonged success so looking at it from an all in perspective is wrong. Personally I would give Collins a shot as backup and use the resources elsewhere. Fully agree. We need to continue to find spots to insert youth and given the strength of our roster there aren’t really a ton of spots available to play young players. I totally get if Grandal went down it would be a bit terrifying handing an everyday role to Collins, but the reality is we brought in Yasmani to start 120 to 130 games beyond the plate. You can still bring in a veteran backstop to park at AAA, but I’d really like to see what Collins looks like if given 30 to 40 starts behind the plate next year. If it’s not going well, a backup catcher will be easy to come by at the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said: Because they trade for Lynn and going after Hendriks and must extend Giolito the sooner the better. They ain't the Yankees or Dodgers! I guess our definition of all in is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: It’s a back up catcher. They are pretty easy to acquire. If Collins doesn’t work out, he can easily be replaced. You will be able to get a guy like Kevan Smith for a song if need be. Yes, some are far better than others, but most back up catchers are pretty much a pick ‘em. Agreed. If Grandal goes down for an extended period of time, we’d probably be in big trouble regardless of who the backup is. I think people were spoiled last year with McCann in that role and that’s nowhere near a realistic expectation of what a backup catcher should be, especially one behind a guy who should play all the time in Grandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounding_Third Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Agreed. If Grandal goes down for an extended period of time, we’d probably be in big trouble regardless of who the backup is. I think people were spoiled last year with McCann in that role and that’s nowhere near a realistic expectation of what a backup catcher should be, especially one behind a guy who should play all the time in Grandal. This is part of my point, was just typing the same thing. However, there are many good choices, defensively or offensively that would keep us out of trouble in that scenario. Not to mention having a vet catcher for our pitching staff; a vet to catch the vets and a vet to help guide the younger guys. EX would Lynn do better throwing to Collins or say, a Suzuki or Avila? Again $2-3m for that security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounding_Third Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, ptatc said: I guess our definition of all in is different. You want then to spend way more than they're capable of before you consider them all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Sox will be able to get a vet on a minor league deal with a roster bonus if he’s called up. That can give Collins a month or two to show he’s capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounding_Third Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 31 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: It’s a back up catcher. They are pretty easy to acquire. If Collins doesn’t work out, he can easily be replaced. You will be able to get a guy like Kevan Smith for a song if need be. Yes, some are far better than others, but most back up catchers are pretty much a pick ‘em. The catchers need to be set before the season starts. Bringing in a new catcher to a new staff in the middle of a season is not the best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said: The catchers need to be set before the season starts. Bringing in a new catcher to a new staff in the middle of a season is not the best option. I don’t think that is necessarily true, especially a back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounding_Third Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, bmags said: Sox will be able to get a vet on a minor league deal with a roster bonus if he’s called up. That can give Collins a month or two to show he’s capable. I doubt if the few at the top of the available list would do that. I can't see Suzuki, Avila, Flowers, etc taking that offer. The good ones will all be signed to play in MLB by time the season starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Collins is not the answer. McCann started 45% of the games last season because he had to. They need the 2nd catcher to be strong defensively and that's not Collins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Collins is not the answer. McCann started 45% of the games last season because he had to. They need the 2nd catcher to be strong defensively and that's not Collins. Yadier Molina, come on down. Lol Edited January 2, 2021 by Orlando Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounding_Third Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Orlando said: Yadier Molina, come on down. Lol lol would be nice. I have no doubt that Collins will be a MLB catcher before he retires but needs to play every day to figure out why his top level skills haven't translated to the majors. He can't work it out getting 6 AB's a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said: You want then to spend way more than they're capable of before you consider them all in. Thats what all in means. Use everything now. They could have traded many prospects to acquire Snell who is under a reasonable contract. But they didn't because the dont want to sacrifice the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said: The catchers need to be set before the season starts. Bringing in a new catcher to a new staff in the middle of a season is not the best option. I agree. With guys like Flowers, Suzuki, Molina, and Avila available...no way should we be trusting Collins with that responsibility. He needs to be catching full time at AAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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