southsider2k5 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Colome would be OK on a very low contract. Anything involving more $$$ is a failure. I wouldn't be too thrilled with signing Colome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) If they are going to decide that they cannot afford to pay Hendriks, hope Colome can walk the rope another year? There are worse things, and this organization is capable of them, so I guess I'm down. There are people that can hopefully wipe it up if Colome shits it up. Edited January 3, 2021 by Swingandalongonetoleft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) This doesn’t mean that they will be bringing him back. We stayed in touch with McCann but he signed with the Mets. Edited January 3, 2021 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Hope they can retain him, him and Hendriks would be nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 59 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said: Hope they can retain him, him and Hendriks would be nice That would be overkill. Whatever Colome costs would be better served going to Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RagahRagah Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 59 minutes ago, ron883 said: That would be overkill. Whatever Colome costs would be better served going to Q Why would it be overkill to have 2 excellent pen arms? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, RagahRagah said: Why would it be overkill to have 2 excellent pen arms? We aren't living in fantasy land, that's why. The Sox aren't signing Hendriks, Colome AND a quality starting pitcher. Getting another starting pitcher is more important than signing a second top tier relief pitcher. ideally they get Hendriks and then a starter such as Q or Musgrove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ron883 said: We aren't living in fantasy land, that's why. The Sox aren't signing Hendriks, Colome AND a quality starting pitcher. Getting another starting pitcher is more important than signing a second top tier relief pitcher. ideally they get Hendriks and then a starter such as Q or Musgrove. What? "Sox aren't getting all 3" =/= "Getting all 3 would be overkill." Edited January 3, 2021 by RagahRagah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 8 hours ago, ron883 said: That would be overkill. Whatever Colome costs would be better served going to Q One could argue THAT would be overkill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 7 hours ago, RagahRagah said: What? "Sox aren't getting all 3" =/= "Getting all 3 would be overkill." Given the payroll constraints the White Sox have, getting all 3 would be overkill. Do you understand? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilehoopster Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Good, stay in contact with Colome and sign him. Pay him a fair price and keep him. Sorry, but I don't understand this "grass is greener on the other side" mentality on this board. Colome is clearly, clearly better than Hendriks. Clearly. Colome the last two years: 2019 - 30 saves in 33 save opportunities 2020 - 12 saves in 13 save opportunities Hendricks last two years: 2019 - 25 saves in 32 save chances 2020 - 14 saves in 15 save opportunities Totals: Colome - 42 saves in 46 save opportunities -- four blown saves Hendricks - 39 saves in 47 opportunities - eight blown saves In only one more opportunity, Hendricks has blown twice as many games as Colome over the last two years, twice as many. And yet people on this board are clamoring for Hendricks and saying let Colome go. I'm too lazy to look. Does anybody have a better save percentage than Colome's .913% over the last two years? I only looked up Hader, and he doesn't. Does anybody? And yet, we just want to let Colome walk to another team?? The grass is NOT greener. Pay and keep Colome. This is so obvious. Plus the Sox already have two outstanding lefties for finishing games: Bummer and Crochet. Don't screw this up. Keep Colome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, ron883 said: Given the payroll constraints the White Sox have, getting all 3 would be overkill. Do you understand? There's no relevance between those statements. The term overkill is not the correct word to be using here. And no one said anything about getting all "3," either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, RagahRagah said: There's no relevance between those statements. The term overkill is not the correct word to be using here. And no one said anything about getting all "3," either. Why are you constantly arguing? Every single thread you find the need to correct someone. Who died and made you the logic police? You are an anonymous person on a message board, please get a grip. The original commenter simply said that spending the remaining resources on 2 bullpen pieces would be overkill. It makes perfect sense. Edited January 3, 2021 by Orlando 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Colome has stones no doubt and a nasty fucking cutter, but with the game on the line give me the guy who strikes out people at an elite rate vs. the guy who relies on balls in play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 hours ago, vilehoopster said: Good, stay in contact with Colome and sign him. Pay him a fair price and keep him. Sorry, but I don't understand this "grass is greener on the other side" mentality on this board. Colome is clearly, clearly better than Hendriks. Clearly. Colome the last two years: 2019 - 30 saves in 33 save opportunities 2020 - 12 saves in 13 save opportunities Hendricks last two years: 2019 - 25 saves in 32 save chances 2020 - 14 saves in 15 save opportunities Totals: Colome - 42 saves in 46 save opportunities -- four blown saves Hendricks - 39 saves in 47 opportunities - eight blown saves In only one more opportunity, Hendricks has blown twice as many games as Colome over the last two years, twice as many. And yet people on this board are clamoring for Hendricks and saying let Colome go. I'm too lazy to look. Does anybody have a better save percentage than Colome's .913% over the last two years? I only looked up Hader, and he doesn't. Does anybody? And yet, we just want to let Colome walk to another team?? The grass is NOT greener. Pay and keep Colome. This is so obvious. Plus the Sox already have two outstanding lefties for finishing games: Bummer and Crochet. Don't screw this up. Keep Colome. You make a good argument IMO. Especially if Hendriks demands the 4 year contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, ron883 said: We aren't living in fantasy land, that's why. The Sox aren't signing Hendriks, Colome AND a quality starting pitcher. Getting another starting pitcher is more important than signing a second top tier relief pitcher. ideally they get Hendriks and then a starter such as Q or Musgrove. That’s debatable. Add two top tier bullpen arms and you make each of the bullpen spots below them better. Bullpen almost trumps the rotation in today’s game. Edited January 3, 2021 by Vulture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Vulture said: That’s debatable. Add two top tier bullpen arms and you make each of the bullpen spots below them better. Bullpen almost trumps the rotation in today’s game. Maybe. But then we'll all get to treasure the sight of Cease walking the fucking yard every 5 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Vulture said: That’s debatable. Add two top tier bullpen arms and you make each of the bullpen spots below them better. Bullpen almost trumps the rotation in today’s game. It's debatable. Right now we have Cease slotted as the #4, and Kopech as the #5, at some point. Kopech won't be ready right away. They need at least a #4 like Q so we can push Cease down and let Kopech take his time. When you account for future injuries, they definitely need another starter. Edited January 3, 2021 by ron883 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilehoopster Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Maybe. But then we'll all get to treasure the sight of Cease walking the fucking yard every 5 days. You're that down on Cease?? He hasn't even had the equivalent of one full rookie season starting. That just seems way too pessimistic for a young guy with so much promise. You don't think the Sox should be putting him out there again? Because I sure do; there's so much potential. Any sense at all says you've got to see what Cease and Kopech can do next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 hours ago, ron883 said: Given the payroll constraints the White Sox have, getting all 3 would be overkill. Do you understand? I think the issue is with the literal definition of the word. Getting Q, Hendriks and Colome all together just puts us closer to being on par with other elite teams. Overkill here would make more sense if we were already on par with these teams and we were making a move that wasn't necessary at all. I agree though that getting Hendriks and Colome is a less-than-optimal use of dorf-limited resources. That's why I pass on giving out what is very likely going to be a bad 4-year deal for Hendriks and focus on bringing back Colome for 1 year guaranteed with an option, then seeking to hedge the bet with a couple fliers on guys like McGee or something who should be cheap. Keep in mind Garrett Crochet is better than all of these guys and he'll be in the pen for the stretch run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, vilehoopster said: You're that down on Cease?? He hasn't even had the equivalent of one full rookie season starting. That just seems way too pessimistic for a young guy with so much promise. You don't think the Sox should be putting him out there again? Because I sure do; there's so much potential. Any sense at all says you've got to see what Cease and Kopech can do next year. Yeah it's a pretty dumb idea to bring in a new pitching coach who will impart a new philosophy -- the same guy also who can be credited most heavily for turning Giolito from a bust into a potential ace -- and then take away his top guns before he even gets to work with them. Vote "no" on any proposition that involves trading Cease and/or Kopech ATM. Give Katz at least 1 year. Anyone with any sense knows that the ceilings on those guys are so high that if they can be developed to the point of reaching them, or even just coming pretty close, the Sox will have far more value on their hands than any amount of value they will be able to import by trading one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Re: a SP, due to an abundance of quality internal SP depth, the Sox are best offering 1 year guaranteed + 1 year TO to the best guy on the market who will accept it. Yet that deal is obviously a pretty low-end deal for any of these FAs, so it makes sense that the Sox would have to wait it out a bit, as their targets will likely be looking for 2-3 years guaranteed first. There is of course the option to try to jump the gun and overpay in a shorter deal ala the Braves and Smyly but the Sox never do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Orlando said: Why are you constantly arguing? Every single thread you find the need to correct someone. Who died and made you the logic police? You are an anonymous person on a message board, please get a grip. The original commenter simply said that spending the remaining resources on 2 bullpen pieces would be overkill. It makes perfect sense. Why would I not point out things that are incorrect? This is a message forum. People constantly argue. This is nothing new. Complaining about someone arguing on a message forum is oblivious and futile. Edited January 3, 2021 by RagahRagah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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