Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: What do you guys think the White Sox rotation looks like on June 1st? Giolito, Lynn, Keuchel, J Gray, Cease Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: What do you guys think the White Sox rotation looks like on June 1st? Giolito Lynn Keuchel Cease Lopez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, chetkincaid said: Giolito Lynn Keuchel Cease Lopez Ugh. This shows just how bad of shape our rotation is in. Even the addition of Lynn doesn't even seem like much. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if we don't add anything of significance to the rotation then the Lynn trade was a complete waste. Perhaps even a smokescreen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, chetkincaid said: Giolito Lynn Keuchel Cease Lopez Kopech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Giolito, Lynn, Keuchel, J Gray, Cease Gray added before season starts in this scenario? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, chetkincaid said: Giolito Lynn Keuchel Cease Lopez Lopez will not start a game unless there are injuries or he has a major turn in ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 29 minutes ago, RagahRagah said: Ugh. This shows just how bad of shape our rotation is in. Even the addition of Lynn doesn't even seem like much. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if we don't add anything of significance to the rotation then the Lynn trade was a complete waste. Perhaps even a smokescreen? That doesn't make any sense. The rotation is better with Lynn regardless of what else is done. How is adding a good pitcher a smokescreen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, shakes said: That doesn't make any sense. The rotation is better with Lynn regardless of what else is done. How is adding a good pitcher a smokescreen? To shadow the fact they aren't going to work to make it well-rounded. As of now we still basically have 3 starters and 2 of them are likely for regression. They have to know we likely aren't going to be significantly better without at least 1 other quality starter. Which again, would makes the Lynn trade terrible if they aren't actually "going for it." Edited January 23, 2021 by RagahRagah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, fathom said: Gray added before season starts in this scenario? Yes sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Yes sir. That would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Yes sir. Jon Gray, the same guy that lost 2mph off his fastball in 2020 and got lit up like a cheap Christmas tree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Jon Gray, the same guy that lost 2mph off his fastball in 2020 and got lit up like a cheap Christmas tree? Cheap Christmas trees usually don’t light up. That’s why they are cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 38 minutes ago, RagahRagah said: To shadow the fact they aren't going to work to make it well-rounded. As of now we still basically have 3 starters and 2 of them are likely for regression. They have to know we likely aren't going to be significantly better without at least 1 other quality starter. Which again, would makes the Lynn trade terrible if they aren't actually "going for it." Sorry, still makes no sense. Regression isn't guaranteed with any of their pitchers. They are one pitcher better. I hope they get another, but as is they are still an AL contender, with multiple avenues to get better, and internal options - with a trade deadline to improve in season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, shakes said: Sorry, still makes no sense. Regression isn't guaranteed with any of their pitchers. They are one pitcher better. I hope they get another, but as is they are still an AL contender, with multiple avenues to get better, and internal options - with a trade deadline to improve in season. I didn't say guaranteed, I said likely. And I am correct. You can't honestly say you don't see that. It absolutely makes sense because it is true. High chance it's not enough to move the needle in the playoffs. We need another quastarter. Edited January 23, 2021 by RagahRagah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Wow definitely was thinking sonny gray big diff there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, shakes said: Sorry, still makes no sense. Regression isn't guaranteed with any of their pitchers. They are one pitcher better. I hope they get another, but as is they are still an AL contender, with multiple avenues to get better, and internal options - with a trade deadline to improve in season. I doubt Keuchel gives you a sub 2.00 ERA again. There is a decent chance Lynn regresses a little. The projections even seem to think Giolito might fall back some. But usually the projections are pretty conservative. Cease has great stuff. If he gets some command, he will be fine. Kopech looked great in spring training, but who knows how much rust he has, and how many innings the Sox want to send him out there. I still have some hope for Lopez but he is probably almost out of rope. The Sox are short with starters. I think JR looks at Cleveland and thinks no way they will hold up now. Probably looks at Minnesota and thinks they have a lot of work to do to get back to what they were and not much time to do it, and decides the Sox are good enough where they are at or some Wainwright level addition. Hopefully it doesn’t come back to bite him in the ass in October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: I doubt Keuchel gives you a sub 2.00 ERA again. There is a decent chance Lynn regresses a little. The projections even seem to think Giolito might fall back some. But usually the projections are pretty conservative. Cease has great stuff. If he gets some command, he will be fine. Kopech looked great in spring training, but who knows how much rust he has, and how many innings the Sox want to send him out there. I still have some hope for Lopez but he is probably almost out of rope. The Sox are short with starters. I think JR looks at Cleveland and thinks no way they will hold up now. Probably looks at Minnesota and thinks they have a lot of work to do to get back to what they were and not much time to do it, and decides the Sox are good enough where they are at or some Wainwright level addition. Hopefully it doesn’t come back to bite him in the ass in October. At best we're looking at a crapshoot. We are not going to optimize. And that makes the Lynn trade terrible alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, RagahRagah said: At best we're looking at a crapshoot. We are not going to optimize. And that makes the Lynn trade terrible alone. Zips has Giolito as the best pitcher in baseball this year, so there's that. I agree that it's a crapshoot beyond him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, RagahRagah said: I didn't say guaranteed, I said likely. And I am correct. You can't honestly say you don't see that. It absolutely makes sense because it is true. High chance it's not enough to move the needle in the playoffs. We need another quastarter. They have improved in other areas and young players get better. I don't expect Keuchel to be as good as last year, but there is no reason think Lynn can't and Gio isn't still ascending. I am correct and that is true, likely, but not guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, shakes said: They have improved in other areas and young players get better. I don't expect Keuchel to be as good as last year, but there is no reason think Lynn can't and Gio isn't still ascending. I am correct and that is true, likely, but not guaranteed. They added 1 (admittedly fantastic) reliever. You're dancing around the point. They have not optimized and they really haven't spent much. I totally look at Lynn as a red herring here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RagahRagah said: They added 1 (admittedly fantastic) reliever. You're dancing around the point. They have not optimized and they really haven't spent much. I totally look at Lynn as a red herring here. They did. Now he probably cant outperform Colome’s 2020 except for maybe advanced wise but that doesn’t give you extra wins. But they did set themselves up nicely for games they lead late.and he is very likely to outperform Colome going forward. Edited January 24, 2021 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, RagahRagah said: They added 1 (admittedly fantastic) reliever. You're dancing around the point. They have not optimized and they really haven't spent much. I totally look at Lynn as a red herring here. Red herring? What in the world are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 28 minutes ago, shakes said: Sorry, still makes no sense. Regression isn't guaranteed with any of their pitchers. They are one pitcher better. I hope they get another, but as is they are still an AL contender, with multiple avenues to get better, and internal options - with a trade deadline to improve in season. Everyone will regress, and on the other hand the young pitchers have ZERO chance of ever getting better and reaching their potential. This is such a miserable pessimistic fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Red herring? What in the world are you talking about? Follow the quotes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: Everyone will regress, and on the other hand the young pitchers have ZERO chance of ever getting better and reaching their potential. This is such a miserable pessimistic fanbase. Everyone? There are differences between different people. Gio seems solidified. Lynn is 34. Keuchel was almost bad 2 or 3 years prior. Analyze things instead of thinking in black and white. Edited January 24, 2021 by RagahRagah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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