ChiSox59 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Just now, Squirmin' for Yermin said: One thing that worries me is his putrid year after he was caught cheating (small sample size) I just really like Marwin because he can play everywhere. We have guys in LF, 3B and RF that struggle to stay healthy. Marwin is a pretty good defensive 3B. I think he's a great fit, and a guy that can fill in for 2-3 week stints without losing a ton when IL stints happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: How much better than Leury Garcia is Martin Gonzalez? Not significantly. But Leury is going to be on the roster anyway. And Marwin has more positional flexibility than Leury. I think the better question would be - how much better is Marwin than Danny Mendick. And I think the answer is ALOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Stand pat and stand down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 32 minutes ago, tray said: Stand pat and stand down. Haha...you can have a career in political science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradMc Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) With the way agents routinely use Reinsdorf as leverage to get their clients better deals elsewhere, wherever Cruz ends up, it won't be here. Edited January 27, 2021 by GradMc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, manbearpuig said: Fuck it. Sign Cruz to 1 year deal with an option, push to deal Madrigal (along with others) as the center piece in a deal for Zac Gallen (controllable for 5 years) but if that doesn't work, offer Vaughn instead. 1 hour ago, Rey21 said: If Vaughn is gonna be on the table in any trade sign Ozuna 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: I'm completely ok trading Vaughn and signing someone like Ozuna. 1 hour ago, iWiN4PreP said: I'm 100% down with the sign Ozuna 4 yrs, trade Vaughn for German Marquez/Gallen/Woodruff/Burnes/any elite SP strategy.... Holy crap. So I'm not crazy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, RagahRagah said: Holy crap. So I'm not crazy? Well none of this will happen I don’t understand why everyone plays GM instead of staying in reality. No baur , no Cruz, maybe a number 5 pitcher or a project pitcher. That’s it. Enjoy the kids. My opinion of course . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, quickman said: Well none of this will happen I don’t understand why everyone plays GM instead of staying in reality. No baur , no Cruz, maybe a number 5 pitcher or a project pitcher. That’s it. Enjoy the kids. My opinion of course . You're definitely right. But we have to have our fun, lol. If we were really gonna throw money like that for Ozuna then Bauer should be the get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, GradMc said: With the way agents routinely use Reinsdorf as leverage to get their clients better deals elsewhere, wherever Cruz ends up, it won't be here. I also think Jerry is ok with it for the most part, with exceptions being players he's actually interested in acquiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I also think Jerry is ok with it for the most part, with exceptions being players he's actually interested in acquiring. But isn’t he notorious for trying to suppress salaries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsaxflyer Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I am against trading Madrigal or Vaughn. These guys are contact hitters. We need guys like them on the team. I got so frustrated watching our big boppers swinging at sliders outside the strike zone at the end of last year. I admit Vaughn isn't ready, but we can"t completely mortgage the future to go all in this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 This guy gives me hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elwood5892 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I believe Nightengale is on the Score right now. Said that the Sox are tapped out and won’t be getting Cruz. Said he expects him to return to Minnesota 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, elwood5892 said: I believe Nightengale is on the Score right now. Said that the Sox are tapped out and won’t be getting Cruz. Said he expects him to return to Minnesota Ha Jerry is a joke. Just a terrible use of resources this offseason. Edited January 28, 2021 by fathom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Can’t believe how willing people are to trade Vaughn for mediocre players. Sometimes we give Hahn a hard time, but holy sh!t am I glad some of our fans aren’t the GM! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, NCsoxfan said: Can’t believe how willing people are to trade Vaughn for mediocre players. Sometimes we give Hahn a hard time, but holy sh!t am I glad some of our fans aren’t the GM! What mediocre players have people suggested trading him for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, elwood5892 said: I believe Nightengale is on the Score right now. Said that the Sox are tapped out and won’t be getting Cruz. Said he expects him to return to Minnesota I hope this is the case. One thing the Sox have is an offense. Signing an old guy like Cruz is nothing but a waste of resources. Better off to do nothing right now than sign this guy. Perhaps the FO will be able to do something else later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, NWINFan said: I hope this is the case. One thing the Sox have is an offense. Signing an old guy like Cruz is nothing but a waste of resources. Better off to do nothing right now than sign this guy. Perhaps the FO will be able to do something else later. Twins thought they had enough offense going into 2020 and some regression and injuries happened and bang, their offense struggled and they couldn’t score in the postseason. If they start the season with Leury in the lineup and Lopez as 5th starter, then they failed this offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I really have no idea why anyone actually thought they would sign Cruz for what he would cost. They got you again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox80 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, fathom said: Ha Jerry is a joke. Just a terrible use of resources this offseason. He is a joke. It's obvious what he is by now. That's why it's insulting with comments like the money will be spent. If he ends up selling to someone with a lot more money and that someone isn't cheap. That would be the greatest day of my life being a sox fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox80 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: I really have no idea why anyone actually thought they would sign Cruz for what he would cost. They got you again. Cruz doesn't bother me. It's not going after another decent pitcher that does. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Nightengale is a FO mouthpiece so maybe this narrative is to suppress asking prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: I really have no idea why anyone actually thought they would sign Cruz for what he would cost. They got you again. Never thought they’d get Cruz. It’s the lack of anything else since Hendriks which is disappointing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 This isn't rocket science. The Sox don't have a deep farm, but they have some quality at the top and some interesting potentially fast movers in the lower portions. They have enough for a potentially long contention window, provided they keep their pieces. All the fuck they ever had to do was sign quality stopgap solutions. That's it. The total failure and ineptitude of this organization and the cheap stubbornness of ownership should not make people think about trying to reinvent the wheel. Players like Vaughn are the ideal: young, cheap, truly excellent, under control for a very long time, fits his position, potential future All-Star and franchise piece. If you could load up an entire organization with one type of player, it is that type of player. The Sox are going to Bartolo Colon/D'Angelo Jimenez/Mat Latos/Jimmy Rollins this thing like they usually do. But let's still keep the best players because when the shit hits the fan we're still going to need to call up someone who is worth a shit. And the idea of trading a cheap asset and then signing someone more expensive -- exactly what precedent have you seen set by this organization anywhere at any level that says such a move is going to work out for the long haul? Eventually the old rat is going to croak. That's the one thing we can hope for. Until then, it is especially important to keep the Vaughns and Kopechs of the system. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, hi8is said: Nightengale is a FO mouthpiece so maybe this narrative is to suppress asking prices? Bob and Stone say no moves. That’s as definitive as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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