Tnetennba Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 3:28 PM, EloyJenkins said: DH forward plan makes sense in 2 ways... 1. Go with Vaughn and he mashes (Yermin can start season if they want to tweak service time) 2. Sign Cruz for 2 years, Trade Vaughn for Burnes/#2, and Eloy becomes DH year 3 when Coespedes is hopefully LF starter and Colas or new FA is RF. Expand Scenario 2 is about the only way locking up Cruz for 2 years makes sense to me. And even then I'd hope its a 2nd year team option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 3:03 PM, Chicago White Sox said: ?...definitely seems like agents baiting the Twins front office here. Also, that’s the exact lineup I posted when this rumor first appeared. In the tiny chance we get him, is that pretty much the consensus on what the lineup should look like? Expand That lineup is sexy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounding_Third Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 3:26 PM, Orlando said: Yuck to Wainwright but I think Brad Miller would be good. This is actually more than I see them doing. Expand If the Sox chose the Miller mold, Asdrubal Cabrera would be a better choice for roughly the same $; maybe a hair more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 So, it seems like SoxTalk is really high on Vaughn and expects him to be the team's DH as early as this season. Are the Sox as high on him? Do we believe that their plan is to have him take over the DH role at some point in 2021, or is it more likely that he spends the year in the minors and is the DH beginning in 2022? Either way, I can see the resistance to giving Cruz two years. But, I fear going into 2021 without a plan for a DH other than the dreaded DH by committee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 3:35 PM, RagahRagah said: That lineup is sexy. Expand That lineup hits 220+ HRs without breaking a sweat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 3:38 PM, hogan873 said: So, it seems like SoxTalk is really high on Vaughn and expects him to be the team's DH as early as this season. Are the Sox as high on him? Do we believe that their plan is to have him take over the DH role at some point in 2021, or is it more likely that he spends the year in the minors and is the DH beginning in 2022? Either way, I can see the resistance to giving Cruz two years. But, I fear going into 2021 without a plan for a DH other than the dreaded DH by committee. Expand Are we reading the same Soxtalk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 3:44 PM, Kyyle23 said: Are we reading the same Soxtalk? Expand I think so. It seems like many believe he could be up at some point this season. I'm not necessarily disagreeing. My point was asking what the Sox actually think about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 3:18 PM, steveno89 said: Twins should be heavy favorites to land Cruz, and they may have to go 2 years to get it done. They have more payroll flexibility remaining right now than the Sox, I’d estimate about $25 million. Expand Where did you come up with that $25M? I’m sure their bear writer speculated much less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 3:46 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Where did you come up with that $25M? I’m sure their bear writer speculated much less. Expand I wouldn't be that surprised, you don't think they are trying for odorizzi or tanaka? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 3:38 PM, hogan873 said: So, it seems like SoxTalk is really high on Vaughn and expects him to be the team's DH as early as this season. Are the Sox as high on him? Do we believe that their plan is to have him take over the DH role at some point in 2021, or is it more likely that he spends the year in the minors and is the DH beginning in 2022? Either way, I can see the resistance to giving Cruz two years. But, I fear going into 2021 without a plan for a DH other than the dreaded DH by committee. Expand yes, the sox are high on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 3:38 PM, hogan873 said: So, it seems like SoxTalk is really high on Vaughn and expects him to be the team's DH as early as this season. Are the Sox as high on him? Do we believe that their plan is to have him take over the DH role at some point in 2021, or is it more likely that he spends the year in the minors and is the DH beginning in 2022? Either way, I can see the resistance to giving Cruz two years. But, I fear going into 2021 without a plan for a DH other than the dreaded DH by committee. Expand The kid is one of the top hitting prospects in baseball. Why wouldn't people be high on him? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 4:02 PM, southsider2k5 said: The kid is one of the top hitting prospects in baseball. Why wouldn't people be high on him? Expand He is literally ranked the #1 prospect at his position lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisebri224 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Let's think like Sox FO for a minute. How can I stretch my dollar the furthest in this market? Cruz for one year with a significant buyout of year 2 as to not block Vaughn? Go straight to Vaughn now (can't be worse than EE last year), get whatever is left on the $5-$6 million SP market, grab a backup catcher (Flowers) and call it good til the season? Isn't it basically those two? We aren't signing Bauer, Tanaka, Paxton, anyone who is seeing double digits for a contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 4:02 PM, southsider2k5 said: The kid is one of the top hitting prospects in baseball. Why wouldn't people be high on him? Expand Because Baseball Reference can't tell them he's good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 4:12 PM, manbearpuig said: He is literally ranked the #1 prospect at his position lol Expand And there was talk they thought about calling him up last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 4:13 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: Because Baseball Reference can't tell them he's good. Expand Yes it can. https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=vaughn000and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 4:12 PM, Wisebri224 said: Let's think like Sox FO for a minute. How can I stretch my dollar the furthest in this market? Cruz for one year with a significant buyout of year 2 as to not block Vaughn? Go straight to Vaughn now (can't be worse than EE last year), get whatever is left on the $5-$6 million SP market, grab a backup catcher (Flowers) and call it good til the season? Isn't it basically those two? We aren't signing Bauer, Tanaka, Paxton, anyone who is seeing double digits for a contract Expand I'd be good with either of those options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Louis Roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 3:28 PM, EloyJenkins said: DH forward plan makes sense in 2 ways... 1. Go with Vaughn and he mashes (Yermin can start season if they want to tweak service time) 2. Sign Cruz for 2 years, Trade Vaughn for Burnes/#2, and Eloy becomes DH year 3 when Coespedes is hopefully LF starter and Colas or new FA is RF. Expand Maybe they can sign Vaughn to a cheap 7/8 year deal (buyout arb years if it 7 and a year of free agency if it's ? and out him on the roster day 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 4:21 PM, manbearpuig said: Maybe they can sign Vaughn to a cheap 7/8 year deal (buyout arb years if it 7 and a year of free agency if it's ? and out him on the roster day 1. Expand Hopefully he considers it. I wonder if he also realizes that his job in 2021 could depend on it. I would bet dollars to donuts that a lack of an extension in 21 makes it more likely the Sox spend on a starting DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 4:02 PM, southsider2k5 said: The kid is one of the top hitting prospects in baseball. Why wouldn't people be high on him? Expand There probably isn't a person who isn't high on him. Sorry if my post seemed to question if he's good. My point is, regardless of whether he makes it to the Sox in 2021 or 2022, I can understand the team's reluctance to sign Cruz to two years. But, should the Sox sign someone to be the DH for 2021? Do we believe Vaughn will be in the lineup at some point in 2021? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 4:42 PM, hogan873 said: There probably isn't a person who isn't high on him. Sorry if my post seemed to question if he's good. My point is, regardless of whether he makes it to the Sox in 2021 or 2022, I can understand the team's reluctance to sign Cruz to two years. But, should the Sox sign someone to be the DH for 2021? Do we believe Vaughn will be in the lineup at some point in 2021? Expand For my two cents, barring injury Vaughn is a sure bet to be on the roster at some point in 2021. Even if they sign Cruz, they will work him in with a bench role at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 3:46 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Where did you come up with that $25M? I’m sure their bear writer speculated much less. Expand Twins spend roughly $122 million in 2020 and have about $97 million on the books for 2020 as of now. They still have room to spend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Train to 35th Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) Let's not get too excited about potential line-ups or how many HR's we can expect if we land Cruz. Pitching and defense win championships, and our line-up is potent enough IF we had stronger pitching. By stronger I don't mean any of our outstanding prospects, I mean a proven starter like Tanaka or Paxton. Giving Cruz 2 years would be a mistake. Edited January 27, 2021 by A-Train to 35th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 4:44 PM, southsider2k5 said: For my two cents, barring injury Vaughn is a sure bet to be on the roster at some point in 2021. Even if they sign Cruz, they will work him in with a bench role at some point. Expand If we were to sign Cruz for a 2 year (preferably 1 with an option, I doubt anyone wants to give him 2 guaranteed) deal I would think the likeliness of using Vaughn as trade bait for a quality SP might dramatically increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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