RagahRagah Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just now, Buehrle>Wood said: Nothing he said was wrong Some of what he said is in the past and likely no longer an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 23 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I would rather have Richards (or a litany of other SP options) than trade any (or multiple) of the 4 I mentioned for Burnes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Kopech's red flags are really piling up. He's coming off TJ surgery, he hasn't thrown a competitive pitch in 30 months, he opted out of last season for reasons (???) and he has a history of immature behavior that includes fighting with teammates and yet for some reason he's considered untradeable. I can only imagine the reactions if the Sox were looking to trade for a player with his recent history. Kopech is fine and it hasn't been "30 months". He worked up to and threw a completely dominant inning and touched 102mph/100mph/101mph just last March in a competitive spring start in AZ. If you don't believe me Passan just stated he's heard nothing but very good things about his work this winter. Kopech is good. Edited January 20, 2021 by macsandz date 3 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Nothing he said was wrong Yes it was. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, macsandz said: Kopech is fine and it hasn't been "30 months". He worked up to and threw a completely dominant inning and touched 102mph/100mph/101mph just last March in a competitive spring start in AZ. If you don't believe me Passan just stated he's heard nothing but very good things about his work this winter. Kopech is good. Quit it with your thoughts, pal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just now, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Quit it with your thoughts, pal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, macsandz said: Kopech is fine and it hasn't been "30 months". He worked up to and threw a completely dominant inning and touched 102mph/100mph/101mph just last March in a competitive spring start in AZ. If you don't believe me Passan just stated he's heard nothing but very good things about his work this winter. Kopech is good. Now that you say this, didn't he also throw in the fall league in 19? Or am I thinking of someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, bmags said: I don't think anyone has questioned the stuff, but rather if he can do it for 200 innings for the first time in his life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Now that you say this, didn't he also throw in the fall league in 19? Or am I thinking of someone else? Edited January 20, 2021 by macsandz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, macsandz said: Yes it was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Beasting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Now that you say this, didn't he also throw in the fall league in 19? Or am I thinking of someone else? https://www.soxmachine.com/2019/10/04/first-look-at-post-surgery-michael-kopech-is-a-good-one/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, macsandz said: Beasting Throwing darts. But yea, he’s done. Let’s trade him and Vaughn plus another prospect or two for Corbin Burnes. GTFO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I've watched this probably 10 times since March. I still think Kopech will be an ace, and I don't fault him at all for opting out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) Kopech is an alpha type. Yes he made a mistake believing he needed to associate with some Hollywood something-something, but he's still just a kid. He kills it in the weight room and he believes he can accomplish anything he wants. He's 100% a keeper for me. Not to be "like that" but look at the physical bodies involved here and look at that kind of dedication. Then look at the "stuff" too. Kopech is the biggest alpha in the discussion. Yes he had TJ. Lots of pitchers do. This isn't like the 70s or 80s or something. He'll be fine. Personally I hope the Sox try to extend him. He's exactly the type who, IMO, no matter what he is getting paid, he is going to try to be the best. And clearly his decision to opt out of last year was the best thing for the Sox. He needs a full season anyway, and having him give up yet another year of team control just to throw 3/8 of a season of innings while starting and stopping again, would have been a loss. IMO Kopech is the last prospect in the org you look to trade, You even trade Vaughn or Crochet before you trade him. Personally I wonder if some here are just jealous..... Edited January 20, 2021 by YourWhatHurts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: Kopech is an alpha type. Yes he made a mistake believing he needed to associate with some Hollywood something-something, but he's still just a kid. He kills it in the weight room and he believes he can accomplish anything he wants. He's 100% a keeper for me. Not to be "like that" but look at the physical bodies involved here and look at that kind of dedication. Then look at the "stuff" too. Kopech is the biggest alpha in the discussion. Yes he had TJ. Lots of pitchers do. This isn't like the 70s or 80s or something. He'll be fine. Personally I hope the Sox try to extend him. He's exactly the type who, IMO, no matter what he is getting paid, he is going to try to be the best. And clearly his decision to opt out of last year was the best thing for the Sox. He needs a full season anyway, and having him give up yet another year of team control just to throw 3/8 of a season of innings while starting and stopping again, would have been a loss. IMO Kopech is the last prospect in the org you look to trade, You even trade Vaughn or Crochet before you trade him. Personally I wonder if some here are just jealous..... yeah that's it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Harry Chappas said: Think you need to add another MLB piece maybe two. I don't...Kopech for Burnes is more than fair. Kopech has more upside and Burnes has done a little something in a shortened season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: He's exactly the type who, IMO, no matter what he is getting paid, he is going to try to be the best. I was going to list all of the reasons he *isn't* this "type" and actually quite the opposite but he is just so damn popular with our fanbase I don't want the heat. To anyone that doesn't follow the team in this matter: Kopech has signed EVERY autograph and taken EVERY picture since he arrived. I think there is a correlation between this and the good-will he receives on Sox internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: Kopech is an alpha type. Yes he made a mistake believing he needed to associate with some Hollywood something-something, but he's still just a kid. He kills it in the weight room and he believes he can accomplish anything he wants. He's 100% a keeper for me. Not to be "like that" but look at the physical bodies involved here and look at that kind of dedication. Then look at the "stuff" too. Kopech is the biggest alpha in the discussion. Yes he had TJ. Lots of pitchers do. This isn't like the 70s or 80s or something. He'll be fine. Personally I hope the Sox try to extend him. He's exactly the type who, IMO, no matter what he is getting paid, he is going to try to be the best. And clearly his decision to opt out of last year was the best thing for the Sox. He needs a full season anyway, and having him give up yet another year of team control just to throw 3/8 of a season of innings while starting and stopping again, would have been a loss. IMO Kopech is the last prospect in the org you look to trade, You even trade Vaughn or Crochet before you trade him. Personally I wonder if some here are just jealous..... Your what hurts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said: Kopech is an alpha type. Yes he made a mistake believing he needed to associate with some Hollywood something-something, but he's still just a kid. He kills it in the weight room and he believes he can accomplish anything he wants. He's 100% a keeper for me. Not to be "like that" but look at the physical bodies involved here and look at that kind of dedication. Then look at the "stuff" too. Kopech is the biggest alpha in the discussion. Yes he had TJ. Lots of pitchers do. This isn't like the 70s or 80s or something. He'll be fine. Personally I hope the Sox try to extend him. He's exactly the type who, IMO, no matter what he is getting paid, he is going to try to be the best. And clearly his decision to opt out of last year was the best thing for the Sox. He needs a full season anyway, and having him give up yet another year of team control just to throw 3/8 of a season of innings while starting and stopping again, would have been a loss. IMO Kopech is the last prospect in the org you look to trade, You even trade Vaughn or Crochet before you trade him. Personally I wonder if some here are just jealous..... This was a solid post until the last sentence turned it into something else. Let's face it. We have been fed the line that the Sox weren't grindy and tough enough last year. That is what got us TLR and Adam Eaton. Michael Kopech is a guy who fits right into that club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I needed to see this. Sometimes I wonder if 2021 is going to explode his value to the moon or crash it down into a fiery pit of flaming garbage. I feel like there’s not much in between. He is, or he isn’t. That’s why I often feel like cashing in on his value now if they can get top value. Maybe Burnes is a good use of his value. But after watching this again, eff it, sink or swim with this beast. Edited January 20, 2021 by Jerksticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisebri224 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Jerksticks said: I needed to see this. Sometimes I wonder if 2021 is going to explode his value to the moon or crash it down into a fiery pit of flaming garbage. I feel like there’s not much in between. He is, or he isn’t. That’s why I often feel like cashing in on his value now if they can get top value. But after watching this again, eff it, sink or swim with this beast. In all seriousness I guess I go with this too. If we get a second half out of alpha Kopech and Katz can do ANYTHING with Cease, we are set and spent nothing. If either is wrong, we probably take another step forward and lose in the LCS. Dancing with the people you drafted for this very reason. Just go get the vet you hope to get 60-70 innings out of, find your LH/Utility bat, and let's get to it. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This was a solid post until the last sentence turned it into something else. Let's face it. We have been fed the line that the Sox weren't grindy and tough enough last year. That is what got us TLR and Adam Eaton. Michael Kopech is a guy who fits right into that club. We talking about the guy that opted out for reasons not to do with covid last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWhatHurts Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This was a solid post until the last sentence turned it into something else. Let's face it. We have been fed the line that the Sox weren't grindy and tough enough last year. That is what got us TLR and Adam Eaton. Michael Kopech is a guy who fits right into that club. The hate seems more than a little overbearing, especially relative to his upside and his work ethic. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, bmags said: We talking about the guy that opted out for reasons not to do with covid last year? Has that been anything more than speculated about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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