GreenSox Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 5 hours ago, fathom said: Vaughn, Cease, Kopech (one of two would have to be in it) This nudges toward the Sale price range. He shouldn't be anywhere near that price. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: What if the Brewers can swing Hader for a young starter like Paddack and then turn around and trade Burnes for Madrigal, Heuer, Stiever, & Kelley? Yes, they’re likely worse in 2021, but ultimately they get immediate replacements for both Hader & Burnes plus a cheap starting 2B (allowing Hiura to be moved to 1B/DH) and two pretty good pitching prospects. For a mid market club in a bit of flux there is some logic to it. Zero incentive for the Padres to sell low on Paddack... and they already have Pomeranz and Strahm. And Hader i almost as high risk now as Crochet with how his stuff started to fall off from overuse. Edited January 20, 2021 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I am thinking Kopech ++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: He made it through 2 months. To bet he is going to make it through a full season for the first time in six years is ridiculous. He had surgery mid 2018, came back at end of 2019 and pitched the full season of 60 games last year. Normally, TJS guys are back close to 100% the second full season, and his velocity certainly ticked back up, but command was inconsistent. Plus, it's such a White Sox move. Edited January 20, 2021 by caulfield12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, GreenSox said: This nudges toward the Sale price range. He shouldn't be anywhere near that price. No it doesn’t - Moncada was the number 1 at worst number 2 prospect in all of baseball at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said: I am thinking Kopech ++ Then you do it and hope Cease figures things out with 4 reliable starting pitchers in front of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwill Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Their has to concern that he short arms the ball and has control issues. Fulmer had the same issues. Now Burnes strikes everybody out which is great but the walks are an issue. I don't even know if they are fixable with that delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 If its Kopech + + and the sox hold onto Madrigal and Vaughn, so be it but id rather they just spend the money on a FA and keep the depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I leave for an hour and we are now trading Kopech? No thanks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeaseAndExist Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I do Kopech + Cease + Madrigal for Burnes easy. Throw in either Rutherford or Kelley too if need be 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, SonofaRoache said: I leave for an hour and we are now trading Kopech? No thanks. Yeah ew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CeaseAndExist said: I do Kopech + Cease + Madrigal for Burnes easy. Throw in either Rutherford or Kelley too if need be No fucking way.....Burnes stuff is really good but he doesn't have the track record for that kind of package. Consistency matters, which is why I think this will be less expensive than most think. I think the Madrigal, Lopez, Kelley, Heuer package is probably closer to accurate. There's a lot of control left, but he had what, 9 successful starts in a 60 game season in 2020 and that's all? This is someone that you're supposed to be buying at a fair cost, hoping for continued success not paying a premium in trade for. Burnes should be slightly more expensive than Musgrove. Edited January 20, 2021 by Jack Parkman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, CeaseAndExist said: I do Kopech + Cease + Madrigal for Burnes easy. Throw in either Rutherford or Kelley too if need be LOL 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I’ve said this multiple times on here but the White Sox aren’t trading Andrew Vaughn, Michael Kopech or Garrett Crochet for anyone this offseason. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’ve said this multiple times on here but the White Sox aren’t trading Andrew Vaughn, Michael Kopech or Garrett Crochet for anyone this offseason. I agree and that’s why I can’t imagine how they get Burnes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’ve said this multiple times on here but the White Sox aren’t trading Andrew Vaughn, Michael Kopech or Garrett Crochet for anyone this offseason. You didn’t include Cease in there ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, fathom said: I agree and that’s why I can’t imagine how they get Burnes Maybe Nick Madrigal has more value than we think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeaseAndExist Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, fathom said: I agree and that’s why I can’t imagine how they get Burnes What about TA + prospects for Burnes? Brewers need a SS. TA is great but Sox can fill his spot by bringing Semien back, or Madrigal to SS and sign Cesar Hernandez 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’ve said this multiple times on here but the White Sox aren’t trading Andrew Vaughn, Michael Kopech or Garrett Crochet for anyone this offseason. But they would consider trading Cease? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, CeaseAndExist said: What about TA + prospects for Burnes? Brewers need a SS. TA is great but Sox can fill his spot by bringing Semien back, or Madrigal to SS and sign Cesar Hernandez Good god no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said: Maybe Nick Madrigal has more value than we think And Milwaukee loves Heuer, right? Madrigal, Heuer, Kelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, CeaseAndExist said: What about TA + prospects for Burnes? Brewers need a SS. TA is great but Sox can fill his spot by bringing Semien back, or Madrigal to SS and sign Cesar Hernandez Cease and desist. 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just now, SoxBlanco said: And Milwaukee loves Heuer, right? Madrigal, Heuer, Kelley I think you got to add Stiever in there too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) I like Burnes but the more I think about it; the more I think that Madrigal, Heuer, Stiever and Kelly is a decent package for him. Edited January 20, 2021 by Orlando Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Trading Cease for Burnes almost makes no sense to me. It doesn't solve the rotation and forces the Sox to go get another starter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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