maxjusttyped Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 8. Andrew Vaughn 24. Michael Kopech 42. Nick Madrigal 69. Garrett Crochet 81. Dane Dunning https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/30833166/kiley-mcdaniel-top-100-mlb-prospects-2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 As hard as it is to believe Kiley might actually be worse than Callis/Mayo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said: Why? Probably because they have Madrigal at 42 or something stupid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Dominikk85 said: Why? He doesn't know what he's looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michelangelosmonkey Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: He doesn't know what he's looking at. There must be hit/miss stats on these predictors. You sound so confident on Keith Law...I really think he's a smart guy and I like to read his write ups but the others are interesting too. Philosophically I get that you prefer one fortune teller over another but really...we are talking about guessing the future so without some sort of comparative batting average why would we care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, michelangelosmonkey said: There must be hit/miss stats on these predictors. You sound so confident on Keith Law...I really think he's a smart guy and I like to read his write ups but the others are interesting too. Philosophically I get that you prefer one fortune teller over another but really...we are talking about guessing the future so without some sort of comparative batting average why would we care? Evaluators don't guess. Law is an evaluator. The others are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michelangelosmonkey Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Evaluators don't guess. Law is an evaluator. The others are not. So he "evaluates" the unknowable future and the others guess about the unknowable future. My question was...are his evaluations more likely to be correct than the guessers? Seems like this would be something that is trackable. Measurement of career fWar by his ranking? Keith Law has been doing this for 15 years. Do we KNOW he is better than the guessers? Do we KNOW he's not predisposed to favor or dislike an organization? I suspect someone has done this...and if Keith Law is great at this it would be worth considering. I remember loving Mel Kiper and then someone tracked it and his hit rate was terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Just now, michelangelosmonkey said: So he "evaluates" the unknowable future and the others guess about the unknowable future. My question was...are his evaluations more likely to be correct than the guessers? Seems like this would be something that is trackable. Measurement of career fWar by his ranking? Keith Law has been doing this for 15 years. Do we KNOW he is better than the guessers? Do we KNOW he's not predisposed to favor or dislike an organization? I suspect someone has done this...and if Keith Law is great at this it would be worth considering. I remember loving Mel Kiper and then someone tracked it and his hit rate was terrible. Since the Sale debacle, Law has been pretty damn accurate with Sox prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michelangelosmonkey Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, fathom said: Since the Sale debacle, Law has been pretty damn accurate with Sox prospects. That's not even an argument. Seems like he was pretty wrong on Beckham...who was the first guy I looked at as a rookie after Sale. Did he foresee Quintana's near greatness? I found (its hard to search outside KL outside the ESPN paywall) where six years ago he didn't have Tim Anderson in his top 50 list but had Rodon at 12. Still a few individual data points don't even matter...the question is given his 15 years of rating 100 guys...last five year probably too soon to tell...so 10 years, 1000 players (and thousands unrated) was he good at it? Better than others? Just loudly saying he's the best at something isn't that convincing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 IIRC, Law lampooned White Sox brass for trading Tatis immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 36 minutes ago, oldsox said: IIRC, Law lampooned White Sox brass for trading Tatis immediately. Yeah I am not going to go as far as some have to stan for Law, but in the case of Tatis, he was by far the first prospect guy to be talking about Jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michelangelosmonkey Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 38 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Yeah I am not going to go as far as some have to stan for Law, but in the case of Tatis, he was by far the first prospect guy to be talking about Jr. I think the first guy to dislike Robert too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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