SoxBlanco Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Any updated predictions now that we’ve seen some spring training lineups? I’m thinking something like this: Anderson Eaton Abreu Moncada Eloy Grandal Robert Vaughn Madrigal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 WIth all the names in that lineup, I really don't understand Eaton getting the 2nd most PAs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) I think the lineup from the other day is a pretty safe bet. I think it was Anderson robert Abreu Moncada Eloy Grandal Eaton Vaughn Madrigal I'd probably flip Robert and Grandal for now though Edited March 24, 2021 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Anderson Eaton Abreu Moncada Eloy Grandal Vaughn Robert Madrigal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Points bet posted a +100 on the Sox to score 1+ runs on Opening Day with a limited max bet. I think I'll take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Leonard Zelig said: WIth all the names in that lineup, I really don't understand Eaton getting the 2nd most PAs. Because you want your best hitters to get the most base runners on base from their appearances, not the most appearances. 3-6 hitters hit with 20-25% more base runners over course of a season. Sacrificing that for fifteen extra at bats isn’t worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 I doubt Robert bats second. Probably just maximizing number of at bats in ST since he obviously needs the work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 I hate the idea of Yoan batting 4th against LHP. He needs to be 7th or so from his weaker side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raBBit Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 What I would do. RHP/LHP 1. TA/TA 2. Moncada/Robert 3. Abreu/Eloy 4. Eloy/Abreu 5. Grandal/Moncada 6. Robert/Grandal 7. Vaughn/Vaughn 8. Eaton/Engel 9. Madrigal/Madrigal What I expect from TLR 1. Anderon/Anderson 2. Eaton/Robert 3. Abreu/Abreu 4. Moncada/Moncada 5. Eloy/Eloy 6. Grandal/Grandal 7. Robert/Vaughn 8. Vaughn/Engel 9. Madrigal/Madrigal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Vulture said: Because you want your best hitters to get the most base runners on base from their appearances, not the most appearances. 3-6 hitters hit with 20-25% more base runners over course of a season. Sacrificing that for fifteen extra at bats isn’t worth it Do you think Eaton is the best choice for the 2nd spot in the lineup? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Leonard Zelig said: Do you think Eaton is the best choice for the 2nd spot in the lineup? If he’s at his .360 obp level of play probably. I’d actually go: Eaton/Madrigal Moncada Abreu Anderson Jimenez Grandal Vaughn Robert Madrigal/Eaton But considering Anderson isn’t probably leaving the top spot Abreu, Moncada and Jimenez at 3-5 is probably next best option. 5th spot in order on average actually gets the most runners on base Edited March 24, 2021 by Vulture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Vulture said: If he’s at his .360 obp level of play probably. I’d actually go: Eaton/Madrigal Moncada Abreu Anderson Jimenez Grandal Vaughn Robert Madrigal/Eaton But considering Anderson isn’t probably leaving the top spot Abreu, Moncada and Jimenez at 3-5 is probably next best option Sweet Baby Jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Sweet Baby Jesus All about maximizing runners on base for your best average hitter who doesn’t walk. He’s being wasted at lead off when you have other batters than can get on base at same clip. Almost a quarter of his at bats guaranteed to be with bases empty the rest come after the worst hitters in lineup. Since his walk rate is barely 5% that means he’s getting base hits in close to 30% of his plate appearances. Wasted in lead off spot when those hits could be driving home runners. Better off with grandal there since he only gets a base hit in less than 20% of PA which doesn’t do much good with runners on. Anderson at fourth spot would result in a chance at hitting every time up behind three hitters who can put up .350+ OBP Edited March 24, 2021 by Vulture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, Vulture said: All about maximizing runners on base for your best average hitter who doesn’t walk. He’s being wasted at lead off when you have other batters than can get on base at same clip. Almost a quarter of his at bats guaranteed to be with bases empty the rest come after the worst hitters in lineup. Since his walk rate is barely 5% that means he’s getting base hits in close to 30% of his plate appearances. Wasted in lead off spot when those hits could be driving home runners. Better off with grandal there since he only gets a base hit in less than 20% of PA which doesn’t do much good with runners on. Anderson at fourth spot would result in a chance at hitting every time up behind three hitters who can put up .350+ OBP Fangraphs 2021 projected OPS: Eloy Jimenez .878 vs. Anderson .776 In terms of leadoff, I do agree Anderson is not always optimal vs. RHP. However, I do agree with LaRussa’s call to slot Anderson in the lead off hole, and Abreu third as permanent fixtures to solidify the lineup is a different animal psychologically vs. the other lineup slots, same as closer for bullpen pitchers. Would rather maximize at bats across the four best hitters, Anderson, Moncada, Abreu and Jimenez, and let the bottom sort itself out. I can see an argument of Grandal at #2 vs. Moncada vs. Righties (.813 vs LHP, .702 vs. RHP) , moving Moncada 5th. I don’t have a lot of confidence in Eaton at this stage of his career, and Madrigal needs to prove himself with only a few dozen games under his belt. If either prove consistent production after a few months, perhaps top of the order would make sense, but I wouldn’t start the season that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 5th hitter on average bats with most runners on base that’s why I slot in Eloy there. That would theoretically be enhanced further by following Moncada, Abreu and Anderson. It’ll never happen so it’s kind of pointless but that’s how I’d do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1. Anderson, SS 2. Robert, CF 3. Abreu, 1B 4. Jimenez, LF 5. Moncada, 3B 6. Grandal, C 7. Vaughn, DH 8. Eaton, RF 9. Madrigal, 2B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) Anderson Eaton Abreu Moncada Grandal Robert Vaughn Williams Madrigal Edited March 25, 2021 by Squirmin' for Yermin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Anderson Eaton Abreu Jiminez Grandal Robert Vaughn Williams Madrigal You meant Moncada, not Jimenez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, flavum said: You meant Moncada, not Jimenez. yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) Bottom third of the lineup is about to become all slappy. Edited March 25, 2021 by manbearpuig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, manbearpuig said: Bottom third of the lineup is about to become all slappy. If they have OBPs of .350+, I dont care where they hit it lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) Grandal is perhaps the worst option possible for fifth spot in order. Hopefully Robert and/or Vaughn hit to extent that doesn’t happen. Since 2019 he only has had a base hit in 19.5% of his plate appearances. Compare to 25.7 for Eloy or 31.6 for Anderson. That isn’t going to bring many runs home Edited March 25, 2021 by Vulture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Even the worst hitter in the lineup who hasn’t played to his potential, Williams, has done far better at collecting hits at 25.4% of PA compared to Grandal at 19.5. Grandal is the last guy you want at the plate with runners on base while fifth spot sees more runners on than any spot in lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Anderson SS Grandal C Abreu 1B Moncada 3B Robert CF Vaughn LF Collins DH Eaton RF Madrigal 2B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raBBit Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 R SS Anderson L RF Eaton R 1B Abreu S 3B Moncada S C Grandal R CF Robert L DH Collins R LF Vaughn R 2B Madrigal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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