More of Manfred's Bullshit

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

2 hours ago, Texsox said:

It's all been downhill since they changed the height of the mound in 1968.

yeah, i don't like Manfred but the idea of him trying to make the game more entertaining is one baseball needs to address. The rules have changed plenty in baseball history.

Did the mound change destroy the game? Did the DH? When they changed the size of the strike zone did that ruin baseball? When they banned the spitball? Did the wild card or divisional rounds ruin the game?

Baseball has a problem; a big length of game problem. With reliever specialization, max-effort pitching all game, and 3 true outcomes rising yearly it's longer than ever and has less action than ever. I love the game, but I don't really want to deal with 4 hour game time averages, and fans aren't going to stay involved for that long. I would say Manfred has failed because none of his ideas really speed up the game but trying to make the game shorter and more active isn't a bad mission by any means.

[South Side Hit Men]

4 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

yeah, i don't like Manfred but the idea of him trying to make the game more entertaining is one baseball needs to address. The rules have changed plenty in baseball history.

Did the mound change destroy the game? Did the DH? When they changed the size of the strike zone did that ruin baseball? When they banned the spitball? Did the wild card or divisional rounds ruin the game?

Baseball has a problem; a big length of game problem. With reliever specialization, max-effort pitching all game, and 3 true outcomes rising yearly it's longer than ever and has less action than ever. I love the game, but I don't really want to deal with 4 hour game time averages, and fans aren't going to stay involved for that long. I would say Manfred has failed because none of his ideas really speed up the game but trying to make the game shorter and more active isn't a bad mission by any means.

The incessant media whining about length of game gives the lazy sports navel gazing media something to write about, since they don't really want to be at the games / doing their job. The length of games hasn't significantly increased beyond the initial introduction of television, and then the expansion of commercial time from 2 minutes to 3 (thank you Jerry Reinsdorf/Eddie Einhorn) until a few years ago, and the increase in pitching changes (thank you TLDW Tony La Russa). (Too Long, Did Not Watch)

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/misc.shtml

Pre television (1954): (2:07-2:26)

Television Era - Pre-Reinsdorf-Einhorn / Tony La Russa (1955-1979): 2:30 games (range from 2:26 - 2:34)

Reinsdorf-Einhorn / Tony La Russa Era (1980-2018): 3:00 games Commercials per game increased to 2:30 (30 seconds X 18 = 9 minutes); Pitching Changes increased to 8.7 per game (8.6 from 4.6 = 8 extra minutes).

They fixed the commercial length for regular season games, they need to do the same for national games (Postseason games have 50 more seconds per frame, or 15 minutes more commercials per game). Charge more per ad or go for scrolling ads like football (soccer) to make up the difference.

The two on field changes they should implement enforcing the pitch clock and implement the automated strike zone. Pitchers are resting up in between pitches to throw max velocity pitches (95-100 MPH). When 2-3 pitchers finished a game before the La Russa era, pitchers didn't, they were in for 6-7 + innings, and relievers 1-2. An automated strike zone will allow pitchers to be more aggressive and attack the strike zone, knowing strikes will be called strikes. Batters will be more aggressive as a result and swing at more pitches. Most hitters were more aggressive with close pitches until recently, didn't automatically take 1-2 + pitches every at bat.

These are the two primary differences between the game today and back in the day.

Edited March 22, 2021 by South Side Hit Men

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said:

The incessant media whining about length of game gives the lazy sports navel gazing media something to write about, since they don't really want to be at the games / doing their job. The length of games hasn't significantly increased beyond the initial introduction of television, and then the expansion of commercial time from 2 minutes to 3 (thank you Jerry Reinsdorf/Eddie Einhorn) until a few years ago, and the increase in pitching changes (thank you TLDW Tony La Russa). (Too Long, Did Not Watch)

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/misc.shtml

Pre television (1954): (2:07-2:26)

Television Era - Pre-Reinsdorf-Einhorn / Tony La Russa (1955-1979): 2:30 games (range from 2:26 - 2:34)

Reinsdorf-Einhorn / Tony La Russa Era (1980-2018): 3:00 games Commercials per game increased to 2:30 (30 seconds X 18 = 9 minutes); Pitching Changes increased to 8.7 per game (8.6 from 4.6 = 8 extra minutes).

They fixed the commercial length for regular season games, they need to do the same for national games (Postseason games have 50 more seconds per frame, or 15 minutes more commercials per game). Charge more per ad or go for scrolling ads like football (soccer) to make up the difference.

The two on field changes they should implement enforcing the pitch clock and implement the automated strike zone. Pitchers are resting up in between pitches to throw max velocity pitches (95-100 MPH). When 2-3 pitchers finished a game before the La Russa era, pitchers didn't, they were in for 6-7 + innings, and relievers 1-2. An automated strike zone will allow pitchers to be more aggressive and attack the strike zone, knowing strikes will be called strikes. Batters will be more aggressive as a result and swing at more pitches. Most hitters were more aggressive with close pitches until recently, didn't automatically take 1-2 + pitches every at bat.

These are the two primary differences between the game today and back in the day.

The avg length of a game in 2005 was 2:46. In 2019 it was 3:10 minutes. 

One huge piece of the puzzle you're missing here is scoring is down from the late 90's substantially. More scoring equals more time. There's one less run scored per game in 2020 than there was in 2000. The avg length of a game last year was 3 hours and 7 minutes and the avg innings played per game was 7.57. Anyway you slice it baseball games are getting longer with less action. Games may have been close to as long in 2000 because there was a lot more offense. Now offense is down, pitchers used per game is up almost 1 full pitcher per team, and game length is up. 

 

I'm not a member of the media. I watch a ton of baseball. For the amount of scoring and action games are getting way too long. 

Edited March 22, 2021 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[South Side Hit Men]

10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The avg length of a game in 2005 was 2:46. In 2019 it was 3:10 minutes. 

One huge piece of the puzzle you're missing here is scoring is down from the late 90's substantially. More scoring equals more time. There's one less run scored per game in 2020 than there was in 2000. The avg length of a game last year was 3 hours and 7 minutes and the avg innings played per game was 7.57. Anyway you slice it baseball games are getting longer with less action. Games may have been close to as long in 2000 because there was a lot more offense. Now offense is down, pitchers used per game is up almost 1 full pitcher per team, and game length is up. 

 

I'm not a member of the media. I watch a ton of baseball. For the amount of scoring and action games are getting way too long. 

You cherry picked the lowest year (2005 2:49 total game) of a thirty five year span (1985-2020) where games averaged between 2:55 (Over an hour shorter than your OG Post).

Games averaged 8.66 runs per game in 1985, and 5.5 pitching changes per game.

Games averaged 9.29 runs per game in 2020, and 8.8 pitching changes per game.

Offense up, 3 1/2 pitching changes = 7 minutes in commercials alone. Facts are stubborn things.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

7 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

You cherry picked the lowest year (2005 2:49 total game) of a thirty five year span (1985-2020) where games averaged between 2:55 (Over an hour shorter than your OG Post).

Games averaged 8.66 runs per game in 1985, and 5.5 pitching changes per game.

Games averaged 9.29 runs per game in 2020, and 8.8 pitching changes per game.

Offense up, 3 1/2 pitching changes = 7 minutes in commercials alone. Facts are stubborn things.

I didnt cherry pick. I'm looking at time per 9 innings. And the trend is up. This isn't hard to see. 

 

Year	Tms	G	Time	Time/9I	Inn	Inn%	R/G	PA/G	Pitches/PA	Batters/G	Pitchers/G	PH/G	PR/G	Batters/S	Pitchers/S	Attendance	Attend/G	Lg Payroll*	Payroll/Tm*
2020	30	898	3:06	3:07	68	7.57	9.29	74.0	3.97	10.4	4.43	0.65	0.23	20.7	25.7
2019	30	2429	3:10	3:05	208	8.56	9.66	76.8	3.93	10.3	4.41	1.18	0.14	24.9	31.0	68,506,896	28,203	$3,999,827,072	$133,327,569
2018	30	2431	3:04	3:00	216	8.89	8.90	76.1	3.90	10.4	4.36	1.16	0.16	24.7	29.7	69,671,272	28,659	$3,964,096,903	$132,136,563
2017	30	2430	3:08	3:05	182	7.49	9.29	76.2	3.89	10.3	4.22	1.13	0.15	24.2	28.0	72,678,797	29,908	$3,983,892,634	$132,796,421
2016	30	2428	3:04	3:00	185	7.62	8.96	76.0	3.88	10.4	4.15	1.12	0.16	24.2	27.5	73,159,044	30,131	$3,761,011,880	$125,367,062
2015	30	2429	3:00	2:56	212	8.73	8.50	75.6	3.83	10.4	4.11	1.16	0.18	24.5	27.0	73,719,340	30,349	$3,680,887,206	$122,696,240
2014	30	2430	3:07	3:02	232	9.55	8.13	75.7	3.83	10.3	3.98	1.14	0.17	24.8	24.8	73,739,622	30,345	$3,398,869,156	$113,295,638
2013	30	2431	3:04	2:58	243	10.00	8.33	76.0	3.84	10.3	3.95	1.12	0.17	24.5	24.2	74,027,037	30,451	$3,150,727,861	$105,024,262
2012	30	2430	3:00	2:55	192	7.90	8.65	75.8	3.83	10.3	3.99	1.14	0.18	24.7	24.1	74,859,268	30,806	$2,950,092,506	$98,336,416
2011	30	2429	2:56	2:51	237	9.76	8.57	76.3	3.82	10.3	3.86	1.08	0.19	24.5	23.6	73,425,667	30,228	$2,872,256,542	$95,741,884
2010	30	2430	2:54	2:50	220	9.05	8.77	76.3	3.83	10.3	3.87	1.14	0.18	24.0	22.8	73,061,763	30,066	$2,757,480,197	$91,916,006
2009	30	2430	2:55	2:51	195	8.02	9.23	77.0	3.83	10.3	3.93	1.12	0.16	23.7	24.3	73,430,580	30,218	$2,791,645,244	$93,054,841
2008	30	2428	2:55	2:50	208	8.57	9.30	77.3	3.81	10.4	3.92	1.18	0.19	24.5	23.3	78,624,315	32,382	$2,694,090,063	$89,803,002
2007	30	2431	2:55	2:51	220	9.05	9.59	77.6	3.77	10.5	3.97	1.18	0.20	23.9	23.9	79,484,718	32,696	$2,499,198,987	$83,306,632
2006	30	2429	2:51	2:48	185	7.62	9.72	77.4	3.76	10.4	3.85	1.15	0.19	23.8	23.3	76,043,902	31,306	$2,337,874,617	$77,929,153
2005	30	2431	2:49	2:46	182	7.49	9.18	76.6	3.74	10.4	3.71	1.16	0.18	23.5	21.8	74,915,268	30,816	$2,189,013,398	$72,967,113

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

Denying that the game is taking longer and has less action is just denying reality. But sure, blame media guys or whatever.

[Kyyle23]

3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I didnt cherry pick. I'm looking at time per 9 innings. And the trend is up. This isn't hard to see. 

 

Year	Tms	G	Time	Time/9I	Inn	Inn%	R/G	PA/G	Pitches/PA	Batters/G	Pitchers/G	PH/G	PR/G	Batters/S	Pitchers/S	Attendance	Attend/G	Lg Payroll*	Payroll/Tm*
2020	30	898	3:06	3:07	68	7.57	9.29	74.0	3.97	10.4	4.43	0.65	0.23	20.7	25.7
2019	30	2429	3:10	3:05	208	8.56	9.66	76.8	3.93	10.3	4.41	1.18	0.14	24.9	31.0	68,506,896	28,203	$3,999,827,072	$133,327,569
2018	30	2431	3:04	3:00	216	8.89	8.90	76.1	3.90	10.4	4.36	1.16	0.16	24.7	29.7	69,671,272	28,659	$3,964,096,903	$132,136,563
2017	30	2430	3:08	3:05	182	7.49	9.29	76.2	3.89	10.3	4.22	1.13	0.15	24.2	28.0	72,678,797	29,908	$3,983,892,634	$132,796,421
2016	30	2428	3:04	3:00	185	7.62	8.96	76.0	3.88	10.4	4.15	1.12	0.16	24.2	27.5	73,159,044	30,131	$3,761,011,880	$125,367,062
2015	30	2429	3:00	2:56	212	8.73	8.50	75.6	3.83	10.4	4.11	1.16	0.18	24.5	27.0	73,719,340	30,349	$3,680,887,206	$122,696,240
2014	30	2430	3:07	3:02	232	9.55	8.13	75.7	3.83	10.3	3.98	1.14	0.17	24.8	24.8	73,739,622	30,345	$3,398,869,156	$113,295,638
2013	30	2431	3:04	2:58	243	10.00	8.33	76.0	3.84	10.3	3.95	1.12	0.17	24.5	24.2	74,027,037	30,451	$3,150,727,861	$105,024,262
2012	30	2430	3:00	2:55	192	7.90	8.65	75.8	3.83	10.3	3.99	1.14	0.18	24.7	24.1	74,859,268	30,806	$2,950,092,506	$98,336,416
2011	30	2429	2:56	2:51	237	9.76	8.57	76.3	3.82	10.3	3.86	1.08	0.19	24.5	23.6	73,425,667	30,228	$2,872,256,542	$95,741,884
2010	30	2430	2:54	2:50	220	9.05	8.77	76.3	3.83	10.3	3.87	1.14	0.18	24.0	22.8	73,061,763	30,066	$2,757,480,197	$91,916,006
2009	30	2430	2:55	2:51	195	8.02	9.23	77.0	3.83	10.3	3.93	1.12	0.16	23.7	24.3	73,430,580	30,218	$2,791,645,244	$93,054,841
2008	30	2428	2:55	2:50	208	8.57	9.30	77.3	3.81	10.4	3.92	1.18	0.19	24.5	23.3	78,624,315	32,382	$2,694,090,063	$89,803,002
2007	30	2431	2:55	2:51	220	9.05	9.59	77.6	3.77	10.5	3.97	1.18	0.20	23.9	23.9	79,484,718	32,696	$2,499,198,987	$83,306,632
2006	30	2429	2:51	2:48	185	7.62	9.72	77.4	3.76	10.4	3.85	1.15	0.19	23.8	23.3	76,043,902	31,306	$2,337,874,617	$77,929,153
2005	30	2431	2:49	2:46	182	7.49	9.18	76.6	3.74	10.4	3.71	1.16	0.18	23.5	21.8	74,915,268	30,816	$2,189,013,398	$72,967,113

I disagree that it isn't hard to see lol 

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

Yes, to gather interest from new fans (which is needed) the game absolutely needs to be sped up.  The RP rule last year was great.  They could still minimize even more the mount visits.  Can they do something with warm ups?  Seems useless and a big waste, can they put an identical mound in the clubhouse or somewhere where the pitchers can warm up prior or stay loose in, so that when the inning ends they can run out, maybe throw 2 pitches and go?  Just spit balling

[Kyyle23]

7 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Yes, to gather interest from new fans (which is needed) the game absolutely needs to be sped up.  The RP rule last year was great.  They could still minimize even more the mount visits.  Can they do something with warm ups?  Seems useless and a big waste, can they put an identical mound in the clubhouse or somewhere where the pitchers can warm up prior or stay loose in, so that when the inning ends they can run out, maybe throw 2 pitches and go?  Just spit balling

I think the key to new fans in the current times is availability of games to the masses.  It's time to end blackout restrictions and MLB needs to stop acting like they are guarding the kings treasure when it comes to social media presence.  Also, they still don't know how to market their players, which is bonkers.

you have to let the kids watch the game before you start shortening the game IMO

 

[CentralChamps21]

9 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I think the key to new fans in the current times is availability of games to the masses.  It's time to end blackout restrictions and MLB needs to stop acting like they are guarding the kings treasure when it comes to social media presence.  Also, they still don't know how to market their players, which is bonkers.

you have to let the kids watch the game before you start shortening the game IMO

 

End blackout restrictions, or at the very least shrink them to match the distribution of the RSN that carries the team. Almost all of Indiana is in the Sox blackout territory, but only in NW IN and the South Bend areas are you going to get CSN Chicago as the RSN that comes with most cable/satellite/streaming package. The rest of the state is going to get FS Indiana. I'm not as familiar with Iowa, but I imagine all or most of Iowa gets an RSN from KC/MIN/STL instead of Chicago.

[caulfield12]

20 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I think the key to new fans in the current times is availability of games to the masses.  It's time to end blackout restrictions and MLB needs to stop acting like they are guarding the kings treasure when it comes to social media presence.  Also, they still don't know how to market their players, which is bonkers.

you have to let the kids watch the game before you start shortening the game IMO

 

Interestingly, Trout is not featured in the OD ESPN promo.

Tatis has the most air time, but you start off with Acuna, you’ve got Soto, Bellinger, Betts, TA in throwback Sox jersey, a Rays’ player running around diamond after ALCS victory, Bo Bichette, Gleyber Torres, etc.   Very little promotion of Yankees and Red Sox.

[Kyyle23]

9 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said:

End blackout restrictions, or at the very least shrink them to match the distribution of the RSN that carries the team. Almost all of Indiana is in the Sox blackout territory, but only in NW IN and the South Bend areas are you going to get CSN Chicago as the RSN that comes with most cable/satellite/streaming package. The rest of the state is going to get FS Indiana. I'm not as familiar with Iowa, but I imagine all or most of Iowa gets an RSN from KC/MIN/STL instead of Chicago.

Iowa is basically a black hole because of all of the overlapping RSNs

last year I got into an argument with a guy on Twitter who kept saying "all you need to do is ask your Cable provider to provide the RSN you want" like it was just a push of a button.  I still think it was an MLB guy who was surfing Twitter to put out that argument because it literally did not make sense

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

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Edited March 22, 2021 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said:

I disagree that it isn't hard to see lol 

yeah, real hard to see: SMH

[caulfield12]

35 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Iowa is basically a black hole because of all of the overlapping RSNs

last year I got into an argument with a guy on Twitter who kept saying "all you need to do is ask your Cable provider to provide the RSN you want" like it was just a push of a button.  I still think it was an MLB guy who was surfing Twitter to put out that argument because it literally did not make sense

Brewers, Twins, Cubs, Cards, Sox, Royals...can even argue Rockies for far western Iowa.

[Kyyle23]

5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

yeah, real hard to see: SMH

I was talking about the formatting of what you posted,  nothing more.  It was a harmless joke 

[caulfield12]

26 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I was talking about the formatting of what you posted,  nothing more.  It was a harmless joke 

Let’s get it on like Donkey Kong.

[yesterday333]

I might be the only person who thinks this but don’t believe it is length of the game but dead time that is the problem. It is hard for young people, in my opinion to be interested in players standing around all the time. I get frustrated when there is ssssoooooo much time between pitches and nothing is happening. If this drives me nuts as a baseball fan in my 30s I can’t imagine how teens who are meh about baseball feel about it. I’ve never cared about how long any sports games have been to me it’s about the dead that makes it boring.

[Soxsi75]

On 3/12/2021 at 2:08 PM, YourWhatHurts said:

I'm not sure if analytics has much to do with it.  Analytics say to shift on defense when playing defense, and (probably) to try not to hit into the shift on offense by BBing, hitting the ball in the air, or going the other way, and maybe with a bunt depending on the type of player.

The way I see it, the commissioners office for decades now -- at least-- has had a serious problem with pitching and defense.  Nowhere in Manfred's bullshit is anything about raising the mound or increasing foul territory or pushing fences back, etc.  It's all anti-anti-defensive nonsense.  They want a faster game on clock time with more offense, more home runs, etc.  .

But a pitching and defense-based game, for me as a fan, is the most appealing form of baseball.  I also have an attention span longer than a chihuahua which allows me to still pay attention even if the game exceeds 3 hours in length.  I know I am not the only one.  It seems, actually, that most hardcore fans -- not necessarily some idiot in a suit in the press box or a kid in front of the tv with a video game controller -- actually prefer pitching and defense-based baseball. 

With Manfred it's not "missing the forest for the trees" because there is no forest.  He lives in the moment, cares only about $$$ now, and short-term objectives as they may be worked or completed now, and doesn't give a shit about the long-term best interests of the game, or the history of the game.  He'll pay lip service to topics like minorities and diversity because he's looking for the cash that can come with it.  But he's a morally and ethically-empty prick who doesn't know a thing about baseball and doesn't deserve his position in baseball or even being included in baseball any more than any qualified person in baseball history has ever deserved being excluded from baseball.  He's a nitwick fuck who can go pound sand / lay face-down under a horny rottweiler and bite MyPillow.

But yeah, it's been anti-defense for a long time.  Manfred is just making it worse.  He's trying to flush the game down the toilet faster than anyone else.

Very well put!!

 

[YourWhatHurts]

So I ignore Look at Ray Ray's posts but I saw the top post when I looked at the page not logged in.

I want to say this about it: the second paragraph poses the question of whether a bunch of changes made "ruined baseball."  This "ruined" part depends on who you are and what your definition of "ruined" would be.  But those are changes which inarguably altered the game and also took away advantages that pitchers and defenders had over hitters.  Four other big ones have to do with changing bats and balls so that balls are hit harder and fly farther, bringing in OF fences, and diminishing foul territory.  These are 4 extra changes which continue to alter the game and favor hitters.  

Then in the very next paragraph he talks about the game getting longer due to the managerial, pitching staff, and FO reaction to the changes he just referenced: increased pitcher specialization, trying to pitch with max effort more often, finding the need to work out of the strikezone more often to end an AB because contact may be too dangerous for the defense, and a willingness on the mound to accept a granted BB instead of a HR.  And then the hitters react to this also by trying to hit HRs more because it is so much easier to hit HRs now than in years past, because of all of these changes.

So I guess he believes those changes ruined baseball for him but he doesn't understand that?  I'm not sure.

Edited March 22, 2021 by YourWhatHurts

[South Side Hit Men]

3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Denying that the game is taking longer and has less action is just denying reality. But sure, blame media guys or whatever.

Need to improve your reading comprehension and post formatting skilz, and remember what your dumbass posts stated (scoring has decreased over time, games are 4 hours).

Stated why the game time and offense increased 30 minutes and scoring increased over the past four decades. Commercials and increase in commercials due to a near doubling of pitching changes per game.

Pitching clock (20 seconds) enforced and automated strikes will shorten dead periods caused by an endless stream of pitchers stalling to pitch at max velocity.

[YourWhatHurts]

1 hour ago, yesterday333 said:

I might be the only person who thinks this but don’t believe it is length of the game but dead time that is the problem. It is hard for young people, in my opinion to be interested in players standing around all the time. I get frustrated when there is ssssoooooo much time between pitches and nothing is happening. If this drives me nuts as a baseball fan in my 30s I can’t imagine how teens who are meh about baseball feel about it. I’ve never cared about how long any sports games have been to me it’s about the dead that makes it boring.

I think that they should start airing delayed condensed games on TV.  Take out all of the stuff, just go from pitch to pitch, show contact, cut it if it is foul, show plays made on fair balls, etc. and you can watch the whole game very quickly.  This would be a great thing for fan interest because they could probably binge watch a whole week worth of games in a couple hours on the weekend.  For a 162-game season, that I think would make it easier to follow what is happening for a lot of people.

The problem is that MLB wants to sell the adspace on TV.  Live, they want to sell concessions and souvenirs, etc.  

Baseball is different things for different people.  Go to a game, tailgate before and maybe after, and turn an entire day into a fun experience with the game the center of it.  The length is fine for those people.  If you're relaxing or working and you can work with the game on without it distracting you, the length is often very nice.  

I don't have a problem with the length personally.  I wish the made it easier on me to watch the game details quickly when it is necessary or convenient.  I also dislike the focus on eliminating P and defense little by little, giving more advantages to the hitters and constantly taking more away from the P and defense.  And the people who just can't stand the length of the game can fuck off and go watch something else.  Baseball has always been a very popular sport here and there are enough people who will follow it even if it is longer.  My main concern isn't "revenue."  Manfred can go fuck himself.

[YourWhatHurts]

5 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Need to improve your reading comprehension and post formatting skilz, and remember what your dumbass posts stated (scoring has decreased over time, games are 4 hours).

Stated why the game time and offense increased 30 minutes and scoring increased over the past four decades. Commercials and increase in commercials due to a near doubling of pitching changes per game.

Pitching clock (20 seconds) enforced and automated strikes will shorten dead periods caused by an endless stream of pitchers stalling to pitch at max velocity.

I think something needs to be done about the guys that fiddle with their ass for like 20 seconds before throwing the pitch, and the other guys who have to take a zillion practice swings, step out, rub their bat down, etc.  But I don't like the idea of adding balls or strikes, and there still needs to be time for players to take a breath or think.  I think a more appropriate penalty might be that after X number of instances, a manager loses a challenge, or something like that. 

Then you have that issue with Sergio Romo where his leg falls off between pitches or whatever happens to him on the mound.  He diddles around for a while.  Ultimately there's a point where you have to call that an injury and you need to take him out if he can't safely throw a pitch.

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27 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Need to improve your reading comprehension and post formatting skilz, and remember what your dumbass posts stated (scoring has decreased over time, games are 4 hours).

Stated why the game time and offense increased 30 minutes and scoring increased over the past four decades. Commercials and increase in commercials due to a near doubling of pitching changes per game.

Pitching clock (20 seconds) enforced and automated strikes will shorten dead periods caused by an endless stream of pitchers stalling to pitch at max velocity.

You stated the people complaining about the game getting longer were media members who don't want to be there (dumb) and then you insinuated that the game hasn't gotten longer but commercials have and that's caused the problem or something. In the early 80's late 70's, games were 2:30 hours. You also apparently struggle with math since you insinuated that commercials and pitching changes caused the change, then showed math that presented those accounted for 17 minutes while game time was up over a half hour. Hmmm

Since 1985:

 

I said runs in the late 90's early 2000's were up - which correlated directly to the increase in game time

 

 

BUT since 2000, runs have trended downward (as I said) until 2018-2019 and game time has continued to move longer and longer. Hence - less action, fewer runs, longer games. You claimed I cherry picked a number, when in fact I selected the number when the run trend began to decline and the game length continued to lengthen. Only recently did runs start to come back up after they livened the baseball again.

Now carry on with your pointless "dumbass" posts comments.

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11 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

You cherry picked the lowest year (2005 2:49 total game) of a thirty five year span (1985-2020) where games averaged between 2:55 (Over an hour shorter than your OG Post).

Games averaged 8.66 runs per game in 1985, and 5.5 pitching changes per game.

Games averaged 9.29 runs per game in 2020, and 8.8 pitching changes per game.

Offense up, 3 1/2 pitching changes = 7 minutes in commercials alone. Facts are stubborn things.

I said I don't want to deal with 4 hour game time averages, not that we're doing it already.

Oh, and the average postseason game in 2019 was 3 hours and 38 minutes so they are getting closer and closer when many people actually watch.

Now take your condescending nonsense somewhere else.