MeanJoeCrede Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Does this mean we won the Jose Quintana trade with the Cubs? At least until we figure out if Eloy is any good? ? https://www.mlb.com/news/2021-cy-young-award-dark-horses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 That Katz session with Cease was cool to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 He has looked very sharp in ST but let's see if he can throw strikes consistently in the regular season before we get to this level. I just want a sub-4 ERA season with 150+ innings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, 35thstreetswarm said: That Katz session with Cease was cool to watch. so was the lopez one...but results clearly are NOT guaranteed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Like Giolito the proof will be under adversity, can he maintain his composure and mechanical changes? Frankly Gio surprised me with his mental toughness. Maybe Dylan will too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Well, kudos for really committing to some darkhorses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, bmags said: Well, kudos for really committing to some darkhorses. The rare "bold prediction" that is actually bold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Actually his last outing has me shook as far as how much actual progress has been made. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 If you believe it, you're probably California sober. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: Like Giolito the proof will be under adversity, can he maintain his composure and mechanical changes? Frankly Gio surprised me with his mental toughness. Maybe Dylan will too. It was an easy “fix” for Giolito, he wasn’t really broken. Don’t get me wrong, Ive been very enthusiastic about Katz, and remain optimistic. But we may have been buying in too easily to the golf contraptions, and the free curveballs in the new administration. So far Lopez is Lopez , and again, Cease has reminded us that he is Cease. Rodon looks good, but last year was sort of a mulligan for him. If he is at full strength and has had more time to work on his pitches instead of physical rehab, his progress if we do buy into it seems like it could have as much to do with circumstances as Katz. Edited March 23, 2021 by Fernando Tatis Jr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Can't wait, so promising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Fernando Tatis Jr said: It was an easy “fix” for Giolito, he wasn’t really broken. What the heck are you talking about? His arm swing was too long, he was throwing across his body, and had no consistent delivery. He was like a different guy every time he took the mound. Sometimes it was two-seamers and sliders. Sometimes 4 seamers and a loopy curve. I have always been a fan, but even at Charlotte, he was a mess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 28 minutes ago, Timmy U said: What the heck are you talking about? His arm swing was too long, he was throwing across his body, and had no consistent delivery. He was like a different guy every time he took the mound. Sometimes it was two-seamers and sliders. Sometimes 4 seamers and a loopy curve. I have always been a fan, but even at Charlotte, he was a mess. He was good before Katz arrived is what Im saying. This is about Katz “fixing” everyone, and Lopez and Cease are still questionable. Rodon wasn’t really broken either. He was always banged up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Timmy U said: What the heck are you talking about? His arm swing was too long, he was throwing across his body, and had no consistent delivery. He was like a different guy every time he took the mound. Sometimes it was two-seamers and sliders. Sometimes 4 seamers and a loopy curve. I have always been a fan, but even at Charlotte, he was a mess. I think the "arm swing is too long" isn't really a fix all for everyone. Plenty of hall of fame pitchers with great command have long arm swings. And plenty of short arm swing guys have bad command. For SOME guys shortening up the arm swing can simplify things and improve command but it isn't really an absolute. Lopez tried to shorten up his arm swing too and it hasn't worked so far. I'm not against starting the arm at 90 degrees instead of going to the classic "T" position before you cock the arm but it is not a magic bullet. Still glad Giolito made those changes as it seems to be exactly the right thing for him but it doesn't have to be for everyone. Regarding cease I do think he can be very good but I wouldn't overrated ST especially since his good results came with 5 K and 3 bb in 6 innings which is not a great k/bb rate. Edited March 24, 2021 by Dominikk85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 16 hours ago, Fernando Tatis Jr said: He was good before Katz arrived is what Im saying. This is about Katz “fixing” everyone, and Lopez and Cease are still questionable. Rodon wasn’t really broken either. He was always banged up. He was literally the worst pitcher in MLB. He had good *stuff* before Katz arrived. So does Cease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 hours ago, 35thstreetswarm said: He was literally the worst pitcher in MLB. He had good *stuff* before Katz arrived. So does Cease. We were kinda worried about his stuff in 2018. His HS curve that people drooled over was gone, and his FB was now mid-90s. He also wasn't getting anyone to swing-and-miss. @fathom had a whole thing, where he would count how many he'd get a game and it was easy for him to do because there were only 1-2. But kudos to the people that believed in him with his height and makeup. All the sudden he completely revamps his windup, and now he has one of the highest swinging strike percentages among starters. It is incredibly rare what he accomplished. But hopefully lightning strikes twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgrittenburg Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 How about outer space dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) He is much more likely to lose his spot in the rotation than win the Cy Young. Of course I will also use this article to say KIKUCHI HIVE STAND UP so take my opinion with an extra small grain of salt. Edited March 26, 2021 by TomPickle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie’s Cuban Cigar Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 He started off like the 2020 version, but he did settle down a bit. I don't think he will be a Cy Young guy, but should be improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: He started off like the 2020 version, but he did settle down a bit. I don't think he will be a Cy Young guy, but should be improved. I do worry that some of the hard hit balls in the 2nd-4th innings that went to the warning track will go off or over the walls in other ballparks or at other times of the year. The 3Ks and 3BBs in 4.2 innings are both not particularly good. But, his best 2 at bats of the day were Trout and Rendon in the 5th, as you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 He didn't look good during the first inning but improved as the game went on. My biggest concern with him is how badly he misses with a lot of his off speed stuff. Many of the pitches he threw were never close enough for the hitter to even think about swinging at them. It's clear he has good stuff, but he still has a long way to go to control it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 His slider is good when he can locate it. The FB is not good, he tried to do the modern high FB thing but it doesn't have the lift of for example Giolitos FB and gets hit hard at the top of the zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyCoralFanClub Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Sox should have flipped this kid for something when they still had the opportunity to. He is still a massive work in progress and the Sox are no longer rebuilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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