mqr Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Capn12 said: Looks like the rain will come and go by 3 I’m guessing they just want to tarp up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said: If Mercedes hasn't been as hot has he has I guarantee Vaughn would be DH more. But he should be in the lineup nearly every day, it is criminal to not have him in How is it criminal when Mercedes and Collins are both outproducing him and he hasn't exactly proved he's a LF yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Perhaps, if Vaughn does a 180 and signs his extension, he will magically be a part of the "core." The statement from LaRussa, coupled with Mercedes' hot start is enough to see that there is a good chance Vaughn is sent down in May. Engel will definitely play a lot when he returns so really will be no place for Vaughn. TLR isn't going to let him develop here, he needs to keep pace with the Mercedes or he's back to the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 54 minutes ago, fathom said: Don’t forget lack of shifting Last I heard it was right around 9.5% which is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Just now, Kalapse said: Last I heard it was right around 7.5% which is insane. Yep this regime already looks like a disaster waiting to happen. Also helps explain why Madrigal didn’t get Fowler’s hit to RF the other day, which I’ve seen Fowler get out on 100 times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, heirdog said: Perhaps, if Vaughn does a 180 and signs his extension, he will magically be a part of the "core." The statement from LaRussa, coupled with Mercedes' hot start is enough to see that there is a good chance Vaughn is sent down in May. Engel will definitely play a lot when he returns so really will be no place for Vaughn. TLR isn't going to let him develop here, he needs to keep pace with the Mercedes or he's back to the minors. Why would Vaughn sign an extension? The team has him up, if he turns into a big success he gets to FA in 6 years rather than 8. The team is surrendering its leverage by having him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 I really hope they don't start this game, have Lynn go for like 2 innings, then run into an hour long rain delay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: How is it criminal when Mercedes and Collins are both outproducing him and he hasn't exactly proved he's a LF yet ? Its just dumb that he's even on the roster right now in the first place. I get that other guys are earning the pt, but its incredibly dumb to punt the year of control just to leave him on bench (and its not like he hasn't shown a good eye so far with a couple knocks the couple games). Edited April 8, 2021 by manbearpuig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Why would Vaughn sign an extension? The team has him up, if he turns into a big success he gets to FA in 6 years rather than 8. The team is surrendering its leverage by having him up. He wouldn't sign the extension as it stands today but my point is that they won't send him down if he does. They have said all the things (TLR quote), done all things (playing him sporadically), and his vs. other people's performances (Mercedes, Collins, Hamilton...eventually Engel) that make it easy for them to send him down and reclaim the year of service time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Just now, manbearpuig said: Its just dumb that he's even on the roster right now in the first place. He may not be for long. I think any MLB AB's are better than the alternate site. He'll probably be back in the minors after May 1. When Engel comes back which should be soon maybe Vaughn is sent down then instead of Hamilton. Vaughn can't pinch run or be a defensive replacement . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, heirdog said: He wouldn't sign the extension as it stands today but my point is that they won't send him down if he does. They have said all the things (TLR quote), done all things (playing him sporadically), and his vs. other people's performances (Mercedes, Collins, Hamilton...eventually Engel) that make it easy for them to send him down and reclaim the year of service time. The problem with that strategy is you end up like the Cubs are having to trade or eat Bryant, Baez and Rizzo deals with nothing but draft picks in return...or demoralize your fanbase further by dumping them in your last competitive season. They might win the battle with Vaughn, but still lose the war as they watch Giolito and TA depart...and don’t have enough payroll space to keep a contending team on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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heirdog Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: The problem with that strategy is you end up like the Cubs are having to trade or eat Bryant, Baez and Rizzo deals with nothing but draft picks in return...or demoralize your fanbase further by dumping them in your last competitive season. They might win the battle with Vaughn, but still lose the war as they watch Giolito and TA depart...and don’t have enough payroll space to keep a contending team on the field. It's not like he's performing incredibly well. He will eventually given time and reps but let him figure it out in the minors... Giolito clearly wants full market rate and very well could get that soon. For the White Sox, why pay for it up front? If it's the Wheeler deal or close to it, fine but if its more than that, just ride it for 3 years and figure it out then. TA signed an extension and no word that he is unhappy and unwilling to sign another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The problem with that strategy is you end up like the Cubs are having to trade or eat Bryant, Baez and Rizzo deals with nothing but draft picks in return...or demoralize your fanbase further by dumping them in your last competitive season. They might win the battle with Vaughn, but still lose the war as they watch Giolito and TA depart...and don’t have enough payroll space to keep a contending team on the field. There's no reason to extend him now. He'll go back to the minors the Sox will regain the year of control and Vaughn will gain some much needed experience against better competition than he's seen so far. Right now there are bigger fish to fry. Around here it used to be said the Sox ruined prospects by bring them up too early . Now if seems as if the fandom is clamoring for Vaughn to play and sign an extension when he's done nothing to earn either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Everyone is upset that Vaughn is sitting today, and here I'm upset that Nick Williams isn't hitting clean up, which would have set up the greatest reveal of all time when TLR pulls a mask off mid game to show he was really Rick Renteria this whole time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, heirdog said: It's not like he's performing incredibly well. He will eventually given time and reps but let him figure it out in the minors... Giolito clearly wants full market rate and very well could get that soon. For the White Sox, why pay for it up front? If it's the Wheeler deal or close to it, fine but if its more than that, just ride it for 3 years and figure it out then. TA signed an extension and no word that he is unhappy and unwilling to sign another. Sure, but every SS (see Correa, Seager, Story) in the world is now looking carefully at the Lindor and Tatis deals...simply no ignoring those eye-popping contract numbers. Anderson’s arguably one of the ten to fifteen most marketable young players in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: There's no reason to extend him now. He'll go back to the minors the Sox will regain the year of control and Vaughn will gain some much needed experience against better competition than he's seen so far. Right now there are bigger fish to fry. You seem awfully confident about this when there is really no evidence this is their plan, nor have they acted similarly with other top prospects in the recent past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: There's no reason to extend him now. He'll go back to the minors the Sox will regain the year of control and Vaughn will gain some much needed experience against better competition than he's seen so far. Right now there are bigger fish to fry. Around here it used to be said the Sox ruined prospects by bring them up too early . Now if seems as if the fandom is clamoring for Vaughn to play and sign an extension when he's done nothing to earn either. Well, sure...there’s already x amount of risk or volatility associated with the Jimenez, Moncada and Robert deals. In the overall scheme of things, non elite (meaning Top 3-5 in the game) 1B with average defensive skills don’t rate high on the priority scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 I don't want Vaughn extended per se...I just think he would be considered part of the "core" had he signed his extension. I could be wrong as TLR didn't mention Robert (though he has played every day) but noted all the key regulars with several years in the bigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: You seem awfully confident about this when there is really no evidence this is their plan, nor have they acted similarly with other top prospects in the recent past. Can he be used as a defensive replacement ? Has he seen any time at 1st base yet ? Can he pinch run ? Does he have defensive versatility ? Has he out hit Mercedes or Collins. Has he played any minor league baseball against higher than A ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 34 minutes ago, Kalapse said: Last I heard it was right around 9.5% which is insane. This is what happens when Shelley Duncan is your advanced stats guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 If your lineup does not produce against RHP that is kind of a major issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Can he be used as a defensive replacement ? Has he seen any time at 1st base yet ? Can he pinch run ? Does he have defensive versatility ? Has he out hit Mercedes or Collins. Has he played any minor league baseball against higher than A ? Ask these questions around the time the minor league season starts or a few weeks into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, manbearpuig said: Ask these questions around the time the minor league season starts or a few weeks into it. I asked 6 questions 4 of which can be answered without another 4 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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