ron883 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: You guys are also assuming Kelenic would have still developed the way he did if the Sox drafted him, which is far from a guarantee. This organization doesn’t exactly have the greatest track record as far as developing position players goes. But yes they still should’ve taken him over Madrigal. And the Mariners do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Is it cherry picking if you said it at the time? Nope you can have that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, reiks12 said: Nope you can have that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 45 minutes ago, fathom said: Huge difference in these situations. Sox had all the info they could ever need about Kelenic and passed on him when he could have been a realistic pick. Buehler was never going to get picked by the Sox at that spot. Lux would have been picked by the Sox instead of Burdi but he got picked before the spot. We could add Trent Grisham in the pick after Fulmer . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 20/20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, ron883 said: Madrigal is garbage. Amazingly insightful contribution... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Amazingly insightful contribution... At least it was unique! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, hi8is said: At least it was unique! Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, ron883 said: Thank you! Unique New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 he's been slumping... if he isn't going to be a power hitter thats okay.. but then he needs to learn to take a walk - that would help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, harkness99 said: he's been slumping... if he isn't going to be a power hitter thats okay.. but then he needs to learn to take a walk - that would help. He is brutal in his slumps. Just constant weak contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriendlyNorthsider Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Here is a 2018 Mock Draft from the night of the draft. Both Mayo and Callis had Madrigal going at 3 to the Phillies and Brady Singer going 4 to the Sox. Both had Kelenic going 13 to the Marlins. Fangraphs had the Sox take Singer, the Reds taking Madrigal and the Mets taking Kelenic at 6. If you want to call it a scouting failure, fine. But Madrigal seemed to be a consensus top 5 pick and not just because of his connection to the White Sox. 2018 has a chance to be one of the best draft classes in recent memory, so there will always be what ifs, but the Sox have a guy who is a solid every day player on a playoff caliber team. Essentially half the draft class has been in the top 40 of a recent top prospect list 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, FriendlyNorthsider said: Here is a 2018 Mock Draft from the night of the draft. Both Mayo and Callis had Madrigal going at 3 to the Phillies and Brady Singer going 4 to the Sox. Both had Kelenic going 13 to the Marlins. Fangraphs had the Sox take Singer, the Reds taking Madrigal and the Mets taking Kelenic at 6. If you want to call it a scouting failure, fine. But Madrigal seemed to be a consensus top 5 pick and not just because of his connection to the White Sox. 2018 has a chance to be one of the best draft classes in recent memory, so there will always be what ifs, but the Sox have a guy who is a solid every day player on a playoff caliber team. Essentially half the draft class has been in the top 40 of a recent top prospect list Almost everyone here was extremely anti Singer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 4 hours ago, hi8is said: Almost everyone here was extremely anti Singer. Except me and maybe like 2 others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 I was anti-Madrigal, meh Singer, pro-Kelenic, but I'm wrong plenty, so that means nothing. Hopefully, the Sox are making a turn to at least considering more HS hitters. Removing an entire category of players from consideration is no way to have success in the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Madrigal is having a difficult May: .413 OPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Timmy U said: I was anti-Madrigal, meh Singer, pro-Kelenic, but I'm wrong plenty, so that means nothing. Hopefully, the Sox are making a turn to at least considering more HS hitters. Removing an entire category of players from consideration is no way to have success in the draft. That said, Tim Anderson wasn’t far off experience-wise from most higher schoolers, with more time spent playing basketball than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 56 minutes ago, reiks12 said: Madrigal is having a difficult May: .413 OPS. Ouch. His profile is so strange that consistency would be one selling point. Sox getting close to a decision point that I would have thought unlikely a year ago: Long-term are the Sox better with Madrigal at second and Moncada at third OR Moncada at second and Burger at third? Moncada's not a great second baseman, but neither is Madrigal. And at least Moncada has the arm to consistently turn two. Right now defensively Burger @ 3rd > Madrigal @ 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: That said, Tim Anderson wasn’t far off experience-wise from most higher schoolers, with more time spent playing basketball than anything. True. I was a big fan of the Anderson pick because the upside in all of his xbh was evident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Ouch. His profile is so strange that consistency would be one selling point. Sox getting close to a decision point that I would have thought unlikely a year ago: Long-term are the Sox better with Madrigal at second and Moncada at third OR Moncada at second and Burger at third? Moncada's not a great second baseman, but neither is Madrigal. And at least Moncada has the arm to consistently turn two. Right now defensively Burger @ 3rd > Madrigal @ 2nd. They will not be moving Moncada off a position where he’s currently top-rated fielding to one where he’s well below average and clearly uncomfortable. Burger to second has higher likelihood, which is about 2-3%. Edited May 16, 2021 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: They will not be moving Moncada off a position where he’s currently top-rated fielding to one where he’s well below average and clearly uncomfortable. Burger to second has higher likelihood, which is about 2-3%. You're probably right. But it doesn't mean they wouldn't be better that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 40 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Ouch. His profile is so strange that consistency would be one selling point. Sox getting close to a decision point that I would have thought unlikely a year ago: Long-term are the Sox better with Madrigal at second and Moncada at third OR Moncada at second and Burger at third? Moncada's not a great second baseman, but neither is Madrigal. And at least Moncada has the arm to consistently turn two. Right now defensively Burger @ 3rd > Madrigal @ 2nd. Madrigal has 239 plate appearances in MLB. Do you honestly believe he is a finished product? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 21 minutes ago, reiks12 said: Madrigal has 239 plate appearances in MLB. Do you honestly believe he is a finished product? Of course not. My concern is the profile. Righthanded hitter with no power and very few walks. He's got 70 bat to ball skills, maybe 60 speed. 50 defense and a 40 arm (at best). He's got to hit .320 to be a plus player over there. We were sold plus defense, he's nowhere near that. Ceiling is a 3 win player, but a medium outcome is Darwin Barney without the GG D. There's a reason players of this profile are not picked often in the first half of the first round. Compare Madrigal to Nicky Lopez. Lopez hasn't been a great hitter thus far in his career, but he hits lefthanded. The defense is plus, and he can play shortstop in a pinch. The speed is at least as good as Madrigal's if not a half grade better, and he was a 5th rounder. That's where you take second basemen. Not #4 in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Of course not. My concern is the profile. Righthanded hitter with no power and very few walks. He's got 70 bat to ball skills, maybe 60 speed. 50 defense and a 40 arm (at best). He's got to hit .320 to be a plus player over there. We were sold plus defense, he's nowhere near that. Ceiling is a 3 win player, but a medium outcome is Darwin Barney without the GG D. There's a reason players of this profile are not picked often in the first half of the first round. Compare Madrigal to Nicky Lopez. Lopez hasn't been a great hitter thus far in his career, but he hits lefthanded. The defense is plus, and he can play shortstop in a pinch. The speed is at least as good as Madrigal's if not a half grade better, and he was a 5th rounder. That's where you take second basemen. Not #4 in the draft. Edited May 16, 2021 by Harold's Leg Lift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 32 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Of course not. My concern is the profile. Righthanded hitter with no power and very few walks. He's got 70 bat to ball skills, maybe 60 speed. 50 defense and a 40 arm (at best). He's got to hit .320 to be a plus player over there. We were sold plus defense, he's nowhere near that. Ceiling is a 3 win player, but a medium outcome is Darwin Barney without the GG D. There's a reason players of this profile are not picked often in the first half of the first round. Compare Madrigal to Nicky Lopez. Lopez hasn't been a great hitter thus far in his career, but he hits lefthanded. The defense is plus, and he can play shortstop in a pinch. The speed is at least as good as Madrigal's if not a half grade better, and he was a 5th rounder. That's where you take second basemen. Not #4 in the draft. Nicky Lopez has 800 atbats and a sub 600 OPS during that time. Madrigal has shown an ability to hit in the low 300s in his limited sample size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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