supernuke Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Green Line said: You can call it meaningless, others disagree. Ok, so what is the meaning behind it then? How is someone getting shown up on 3-0 but if you stand with the bat on your shoulder for one pitch then it's all ok. Is allowing the one strike some kind of participation trophy for the pitcher? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, Green Line said: Taking a knee doesn't end a game any sooner than running another play (provided its not an incomplete pass). Please do not try and deny that there is an aspect of "not showing another team up" when an NFL team clearly stops trying hard to score late in a game where they are blowing the other team out. Happens all the time. They kneel when they can end the game with a guaranteed win. The Twins still sent batters to the plate who attempted to get hits. The strategy in a timed game is completely different because you can limit how many opportunities the opponent has to even try to score. In baseball, everyone gets 27 outs. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: People kneel to prevent injuries. You saying that is a minimal reason is a joke. Football is a violent contact sport that causes wear and tear every single snap. I understand the point he is trying to make, but with timed games, it's advantageous to run out the clock. I just don't understand why its bush league for Yermin to try when the Twins are trying in the bottom half of the inning. If you want to call the game, call the game. Making a farce out of it by not trying is not sportsmanship in my book. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, Tony said: 8 minute mark I don't have words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, supernuke said: Ok, so what is the meaning behind it then? How is someone getting shown up on 3-0 but if you stand with the bat on your shoulder for one pitch then it's all ok. Is allowing the one strike some kind of participation trophy for the pitcher? Like I said, this is all arbitrary nonsense and for it to be a perpetual hill that some people want to die on is so utterly mind-boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I would hate it at the moment it happens, but it would be hilarious poetic justice if the next time the Sox are ahead by 11 runs (with LaRussa managing) they blow it and lose the game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: I understand the point he is trying to make, but with timed games, it's advantageous to run out the clock. I just don't understand why its bush league for Yermin to try when the Twins are trying in the bottom half of the inning. If you want to call the game, call the game. Making a farce out of it by not trying is not sportsmanship in my book. Nobody is trying to stop Yermin from trying to win. It was just 1 pitch. I don't understand that part of your argument. Him swinging on 3-1 wouldn't have been an issue and we wouldn't be having this discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 If anything, trying to protect five relievers (for Game 3) Baldelli could have selected ahead of Astudillo is where Baldelli erred...if you have a legit arm like Matt Davidson for the Sox and he’s entering the game with every single guy in the pen already burned, then you can start to argue about this 3-0 swinging thing. But Astudillo throwing 47 mph eephus pitches was respectful to the game how exactly? A catcher should be able throw at least in the high 70’s or 80’s with minimal effort. Striking out opposing hitters with beer league softball velocities is a tad bit ludicrous and just a comic sideshow for the home dugout to ease the in-house tensions related to all those early season Twins’ losses. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 hours ago, vilehoopster said: This is what bothers me with posters who make "absolute" statements as fact. How could he or "should" have absolutely been swinging there when no one, not a few, not some, NO ONE had done it in 20 years. Your opinion makes it an absolute? 557 previous players in that situation disagree with you. It was zero for 557. I don't think you can say "absolutely" here. I’m not stating it fact, but I can see how it reads that way. There are some arguments where I can see both sides. But for this argument, I am completely on one side. So I ABSOLUTELY think he should have swung. I’m not on the fence about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: If anything, trying to protect five relievers (for Game 3) Baldelli could have selected ahead of Astudillo is where Baldelli erred...if you have a legit arm like Matt Davidson for the Sox and he’s entering the game with every single guy in the pen already burned, then you can start to argue about this 3-0 swinging thing. But Astudillo throwing 47 mph eephus pitches was respectful to the game how exactly? A catcher should be able throw at least in the high 70’s or 80’s with minimal effort. Striking out opposing hitters with beer league softball velocities is a tad bit ludicrous and just a comic sideshow for the home dugout to ease the in-house tensions related to all those early season Twins’ losses. Hell, we had Yermin throwing in the 70s and 80s when he pitched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) The Giants are beating the Reds 18-1 now...and who’s in to pitch? Carson Fulmer...haha. All five Reds’ pitchers have given up runs, Fulmer 4 in two IP. Shouldn’t they stop swinging away and just allow the pitchers to strike them out with bats not leaving the perch on their shoulders? By this argument...conversely, pitchers should feel sorry for the Indians, Tigers and M’s...and groove more pitches to help them increase their offensive output. Edited May 20, 2021 by caulfield12 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: The Giants are beating the Reds 18-1 now...and who’s in to pitch? Carson Fulmer...haha. smh disrespecting the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: “Shit is fucking stupid” - truer words have never been spoken. Can we get Sabathia as manager? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Quin said: smh disrespecting the game Might be his last big league appearance ever, like Juan Nicasio after surrendering a GS on a 3-0 count last year for Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Green Line said: Taking a knee doesn't end a game any sooner than running another play (provided its not an incomplete pass). Please do not try and deny that there is an aspect of "not showing another team up" when an NFL team clearly stops trying hard to score late in a game where they are blowing the other team out. Happens all the time. They take a knee because the other team cannot come back to win the game. That’s not the case in baseball. If there were any chance whatsoever that taking a knee would give the other team a chance to win, they wouldn’t do it. This is in no way analogous to player who has to bat in order to complete the game actually batting. You’ve got be just playing stupid (aka trolling) at this point there’s no other rational explanation. Edited May 20, 2021 by Vulture 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) And Baltimore using Stevie Wilkerson to pitch in a 10-1 deficit to Rays, too. Wendle homered on a 1-1 pitch and Kiermaier singled down 0-2 in the count. Wilkerson also was throwing 45 mph curveballs. Also noteworthy is it’s the last game of series, getaway day, etc. Edited May 20, 2021 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Vulture said: They take a knee because the other team cannot come back to win the game. That’s not the case in baseball. If there were any chance whatsoever that taking a knee would give the other team a chance to win, they wouldn’t do it. This is in no way analogous to player who has to bat in order to complete the game actually batting. You’ve got be just playing stupid at this point there’s no other rational explanation. I'd same the same to you - take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Green Line said: I'd same the same to you - take care. Whatever troll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) Some kid went to his or her first game and got to see Yermin hit one into the night. Maybe that will hook them. Not quite like taking 3-0, but there is still a chance. Edited May 20, 2021 by Dick Allen 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 35 minutes ago, Green Line said: Nobody is trying to stop Yermin from trying to win. It was just 1 pitch. I don't understand that part of your argument. Him swinging on 3-1 wouldn't have been an issue and we wouldn't be having this discussion. You still haven't explained the reasoning why swinging on 3-0 is wrong but 3-1 is OK besides "just because". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just now, OmarComing25 said: You still haven't explained the reasoning why swinging on 3-0 is wrong but 3-1 is OK besides "just because". I explained it days ago I can't keep beating my head against the wall its getting old for everyone. I'm moving on to tomorrows game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: Some kid went to his or her first game and got to see Yermin hit one into the night. Maybe that will hook them. Not quite like taking 3-0, but there is still a chance. Nothing would hook kids onto baseball more than sitting in the LaRussians bleacher section cheering on their near-death drunken idol and booing the flashy Latino players with their gold chains, outward display of emotions, boring home runs, and blatant disrespect for superior old white men rules. 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, GermanSoxFan said: The ironic thing is that LaRussa was a pioneer on many things in the game and now is fighting against change. Dusty is also above 70, but he isn’t stuck in the past. It's because Dusty has been around the on-field part of the game, whereas LaRussa hasn't in almost 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just now, SleepyWhiteSox said: Nothing would hook kids onto baseball more than sitting in the LaRussians bleacher section cheering on their near-death drunken idol and booing the flashy Latino players with their gold chains, outward display of emotions, boring home runs, and blatant disrespect for superior old white men rules. And theres the race card, was waiting for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just now, Green Line said: And theres the race card, was waiting for it. Anything to move away from your shitty football takes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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