The TLR Manager Thread

[hi8is]

2 hours ago, KrankinSox said:

 

Jose and TLR get to 2nd base again! 

This is clearly in violation of the unwritten baseball rules.

[tray]

As to the home run that started this manufactured controversy, LaRussa was yelling "Take, Take , Take " from the dugout. Super Joe heard it as did the entire bench.  Super Joe put the take sign on.The replay of the home run shows that Yermin glanced at Super Joe and quickly looked away, obviously choosing to ignore his coach. Yermin had to have heard Tony and casnnot deny seeing  the take sign but decided to showboat for selfish reasons.  He showed up his Manager and coach in front of the players.  This is less than  a week after Yermin showed up late for a game.

Yermin is a fun-loving player who is understandably caught up a bit with his new found fame and fortune. He deserves a Mulligan or two. Having said that, all that is gold does not always glitter.   Here is an article with positive and some negative information about Yermin's ascent to the White Sox roster:

"despite hitting above .300 as a catcher over three seasons in the Dominican Summer League, he was released in the winter of 2013. He’d developed a bit of a reputation for showing up late, not always giving 100 percent and pumping himself up to anyone within earshot. Essentially, he was big-leaguing it.

That type of confidence is entertaining and endearing when you’re in a fun-loving big-league clubhouse like the White Sox have. It’s decidedly less so when you haven’t even reached Low-A. As a result, the Nats decided the slow, old-for-the-level catcher with the big mouth wasn’t worth the trouble.

As a bad defensive catcher with average power numbers, Mercedes wasn’t exactly an organizational cornerstone. As such, the White Sox scooped him up and left him in the minors until a 23-homer power surge in Double-A and Triple-A in 2019 put him on the big-league radar.

He spent most of the pandemic season at the alternate site, with a very brief cup of coffee in August 2020. Then he made the big-league roster out of spring training this year after mashing his way through the Cactus League — and boom! That’s how Yermin Mercedes ended up going 8-for-8 to start the 2021 season.

It should be noted that Mercedes’ climb hasn’t been without incident. His time with the Nationals ended earlier than it should have due to his lackadaisical attitude. More recently, Licey suspended him in each of the past two seasons: in 2019 for bailing on the team unannounced before first pitch and in 2020 for violating COVID-19 protocols. 

The line between confidence and overconfidence is a fine one. Over the years, Mercedes has built a character around himself that allowed him to truly believe, against all odds, that he could be a big leaguer. While the attitude that he was too good for some of the lower levels of pro baseball was surely exhausting to be around at times, it has largely been validated by Mercedes' ascension to the majors."

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/chicago-white-sox-yermin-mercedes-long-road-to-the-big-leagues

 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2021 by tray

[hi8is]

6 minutes ago, tray said:

As to the home run that started this manufactured controversy, LaRussa was yelling "Take, Take , Take " from the dugout. Super Joe heard it put the take sign on.The replay pf the home run shows that Yermin glanced at Super Joe and quickly looked away, obviously choosing to ignore Super Joe. Yermin heard Tony and had to have seen the take sign but decided to showboat for selfish reasons.  He showed up his Manager and coach in front of bot teams.  This is less than  a week after Yermin showed up late for a game.

You’re making a lot of assumptions. Why even bring this up again.

Dare I say it?

poodle

[tray]

Just now, hi8is said:

You’re making a lot of assumptions. Why even bring this up again.

Dare I say it?

poodle

What assumptions?

The replay of the home run that includes Yermin peering down for the take sign  and ignoring it?

That Yermin showed up late for a game as he had done in the past with other teams ?

Did you read the article or do you simply want to make things personal ?

[ron883]

tray is totally serious with his posts in this thread and not trying to get a rise out of anybody

[Paulie4Pres]

20 minutes ago, tray said:

As to the home run that started this manufactured controversy, LaRussa was yelling "Take, Take , Take " from the dugout. Super Joe heard it as did the entire bench.  Super Joe put the take sign on.The replay of the home run shows that Yermin glanced at Super Joe and quickly looked away, obviously choosing to ignore his coach. Yermin had to have heard Tony and casnnot deny seeing  the take sign but decided to showboat for selfish reasons.  He showed up his Manager and coach in front of the players.  This is less than  a week after Yermin showed up late for a game.

Yermin is a fun-loving player who is understandably caught up a bit with his new found fame and fortune. He deserves a Mulligan or two. Having said that, all that is gold does not always glitter.   Here is an article with positive and some negative information about Yermin's ascent to the White Sox roster:

"despite hitting above .300 as a catcher over three seasons in the Dominican Summer League, he was released in the winter of 2013. He’d developed a bit of a reputation for showing up late, not always giving 100 percent and pumping himself up to anyone within earshot. Essentially, he was big-leaguing it.

That type of confidence is entertaining and endearing when you’re in a fun-loving big-league clubhouse like the White Sox have. It’s decidedly less so when you haven’t even reached Low-A. As a result, the Nats decided the slow, old-for-the-level catcher with the big mouth wasn’t worth the trouble.

As a bad defensive catcher with average power numbers, Mercedes wasn’t exactly an organizational cornerstone. As such, the White Sox scooped him up and left him in the minors until a 23-homer power surge in Double-A and Triple-A in 2019 put him on the big-league radar.

He spent most of the pandemic season at the alternate site, with a very brief cup of coffee in August 2020. Then he made the big-league roster out of spring training this year after mashing his way through the Cactus League — and boom! That’s how Yermin Mercedes ended up going 8-for-8 to start the 2021 season.

It should be noted that Mercedes’ climb hasn’t been without incident. His time with the Nationals ended earlier than it should have due to his lackadaisical attitude. More recently, Licey suspended him in each of the past two seasons: in 2019 for bailing on the team unannounced before first pitch and in 2020 for violating COVID-19 protocols. 

The line between confidence and overconfidence is a fine one. Over the years, Mercedes has built a character around himself that allowed him to truly believe, against all odds, that he could be a big leaguer. While the attitude that he was too good for some of the lower levels of pro baseball was surely exhausting to be around at times, it has largely been validated by Mercedes' ascension to the majors."

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/chicago-white-sox-yermin-mercedes-long-road-to-the-big-leagues

 

 

 

 

STFU Boomer.

[Kyyle23]

4 hours ago, ron883 said:

tray is totally serious with his posts in this thread and not trying to get a rise out of anybody

It's pretty amazing that he has decided to piss all over everything on this site over Tony fucking Larussa, that's for sure. 

[southsider2k5]

23 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

It's pretty amazing that he has decided to piss all over everything on this site over Tony fucking Larussa, that's for sure. 

He's now so mad that people aren't talking about Tony, that for no reason he dug out an old article to try to restart the arguments.  

Trolling 101.

[Dick Allen]

5 hours ago, tray said:

As to the home run that started this manufactured controversy, LaRussa was yelling "Take, Take , Take " from the dugout. Super Joe heard it as did the entire bench.  Super Joe put the take sign on.The replay of the home run shows that Yermin glanced at Super Joe and quickly looked away, obviously choosing to ignore his coach. Yermin had to have heard Tony and casnnot deny seeing  the take sign but decided to showboat for selfish reasons.  He showed up his Manager and coach in front of the players.  This is less than  a week after Yermin showed up late for a game.

Yermin is a fun-loving player who is understandably caught up a bit with his new found fame and fortune. He deserves a Mulligan or two. Having said that, all that is gold does not always glitter.   Here is an article with positive and some negative information about Yermin's ascent to the White Sox roster:

"despite hitting above .300 as a catcher over three seasons in the Dominican Summer League, he was released in the winter of 2013. He’d developed a bit of a reputation for showing up late, not always giving 100 percent and pumping himself up to anyone within earshot. Essentially, he was big-leaguing it.

That type of confidence is entertaining and endearing when you’re in a fun-loving big-league clubhouse like the White Sox have. It’s decidedly less so when you haven’t even reached Low-A. As a result, the Nats decided the slow, old-for-the-level catcher with the big mouth wasn’t worth the trouble.

As a bad defensive catcher with average power numbers, Mercedes wasn’t exactly an organizational cornerstone. As such, the White Sox scooped him up and left him in the minors until a 23-homer power surge in Double-A and Triple-A in 2019 put him on the big-league radar.

He spent most of the pandemic season at the alternate site, with a very brief cup of coffee in August 2020. Then he made the big-league roster out of spring training this year after mashing his way through the Cactus League — and boom! That’s how Yermin Mercedes ended up going 8-for-8 to start the 2021 season.

It should be noted that Mercedes’ climb hasn’t been without incident. His time with the Nationals ended earlier than it should have due to his lackadaisical attitude. More recently, Licey suspended him in each of the past two seasons: in 2019 for bailing on the team unannounced before first pitch and in 2020 for violating COVID-19 protocols. 

The line between confidence and overconfidence is a fine one. Over the years, Mercedes has built a character around himself that allowed him to truly believe, against all odds, that he could be a big leaguer. While the attitude that he was too good for some of the lower levels of pro baseball was surely exhausting to be around at times, it has largely been validated by Mercedes' ascension to the majors."

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/chicago-white-sox-yermin-mercedes-long-road-to-the-big-leagues

 

 

 

If LaRussa gave the take sign, why was he yelling take from the dugout? Fake news.

[Quin]

lmao, @ron883 you win, tray is just a wannabe troll who found his muse after everyone ignored his "Andrew Vaughn is a short, fat kid who can't play baseball" schtick. 

Thread begins to move on from the unwritten rules stupidity? Better rev up them engines boys, cause Tray will bring it back.

[Harry Chappas]

1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:

If LaRussa gave the take sign, why was he yelling take from the dugout? Fake news.

Did you order the Code Red.......You're God Damn Right I DID!

[Harry Chappas]

I'm not  looking to carry water for Tony L. but I will..... in regard to Vaughn and his comments, I am looking at that more of a compliment to Vaughn moving to LF to help this career and team and taking the bull by the horns and riding it.

Yermin has had ample opportunity in his career to make himself a fielder in some capacity and has not.  Wouldn't it be great if he could play 1st, go to left or third or something.  Vaughn has worked at third and now appears to be a fine LF and will potentially move to RF to fill that need until he settles in at first in a few years.

Think about what would have happened if he went to LF and played like Eloy.  There was one misread last week in NY and that's about it.   If he was terrible in LF the Sox would be in a world of trouble, instead they have managed to overcome the Eloy injury and are only suffering with the lose of Robert.  

Was it a shot at Yermin, probably, and Yermin looks like he will be a MLB hitter but if he cannot find a place on the field he limits the options of the team and for that I am thinking Tony isn't in the mood to watch Yermin be Yermin because Yermin doesn't seem to grasp the fact that you should play defense. 

Tony is old school to a massive fault and my guess is Yermin being Yermin got old a long time ago......BUT.......Yermin is in there everyday and hitting 4th or 5th in the lineup so Tony is holding his nose and riding with it.

Eloy is out this year because he was being Eloy and did something stupid for some dumb reason and that was not the first time.

Vaughn made Tony's job much easier and Tony needs all of the help he can get at this point. 

 

 

 

[NWINFan]

1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:

If LaRussa gave the take sign, why was he yelling take from the dugout? Fake news.

If it was just a matter of a missed sign, this would be a whole different issue. Yermin would not have been thrown at for missing a sign or ignoring a sign.

Yermin critics also harp about his being late one day. Has anyone else here been late for something? For work? For an appointment?

Yermin is far from a perfect major leaguer, but he has provided some offense that was lost with Eloy's injury. And I do recall a player who was a liability in the field and did nothing but DH. His name was Greg Luzinksi, and he played on the 1983 Western Division champion Chicago White Sox. I believe Tony LaRussa was the manager of that team.

[ThirdGen]

3 minutes ago, NWINFan said:

If it was just a matter of a missed sign, this would be a whole different issue. Yermin would not have been thrown at for missing a sign or ignoring a sign.

Yermin critics also harp about his being late one day. Has anyone else here been late for something? For work? For an appointment?

Yermin is far from a perfect major leaguer, but he has provided some offense that was lost with Eloy's injury. And I do recall a player who was a liability in the field and did nothing but DH. His name was Greg Luzinksi, and he played on the 1983 Western Division champion Chicago White Sox. I believe Tony LaRussa was the manager of that team.

Luzinski was an aging slugger at the end of his career.  He had previously played over 1200 games in the field in his career, and while not a great LF, he was good enough to not be completely one dimensional.  He would have been traded to the AL much earlier if that was the case.  Yermin has played one game in the field, and I doubt that number will get much higher.

[Superstar Lamar]

10 hours ago, KrankinSox said:

 

Jose and TLR get to 2nd base again! 

before this becomes a thing, someone may want to tell the curator its called a moob on a man...unless he is implying TLR is a boob

[Quin]

30 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:

I'm not  looking to carry water for Tony L. but I will..... in regard to Vaughn and his comments, I am looking at that more of a compliment to Vaughn moving to LF to help this career and team and taking the bull by the horns and riding it.

Yermin has had ample opportunity in his career to make himself a fielder in some capacity and has not.  Wouldn't it be great if he could play 1st, go to left or third or something.  Vaughn has worked at third and now appears to be a fine LF and will potentially move to RF to fill that need until he settles in at first in a few years.

Think about what would have happened if he went to LF and played like Eloy.  There was one misread last week in NY and that's about it.   If he was terrible in LF the Sox would be in a world of trouble, instead they have managed to overcome the Eloy injury and are only suffering with the lose of Robert.  

Was it a shot at Yermin, probably, and Yermin looks like he will be a MLB hitter but if he cannot find a place on the field he limits the options of the team and for that I am thinking Tony isn't in the mood to watch Yermin be Yermin because Yermin doesn't seem to grasp the fact that you should play defense. 

Tony is old school to a massive fault and my guess is Yermin being Yermin got old a long time ago......BUT.......Yermin is in there everyday and hitting 4th or 5th in the lineup so Tony is holding his nose and riding with it.

Eloy is out this year because he was being Eloy and did something stupid for some dumb reason and that was not the first time.

Vaughn made Tony's job much easier and Tony needs all of the help he can get at this point. 

 

 

 

As someone who was a big Yermin detractor because of his iron glove, he did try and play third, first, and catcher in the minors. He just sucks at all of them and he's certainly not the first person to be defensively challenged, no matter where he's been placed.

Could he improve his defense at catcher? Yeah, probably. Could it also be a thing that he just doesn't get it? Also possible.

[southsider2k5]

1 minute ago, Quin said:

As someone who was a big Yermin detractor because of his iron glove, he did try and play third, first, and catcher in the minors. He just sucks at all of them and he's certainly not the first person to be defensively challenged, no matter where he's been placed.

Could he improve his defense at catcher? Yeah, probably. Could it also be a thing that he just doesn't get it? Also possible.

Breaking news: People can fail at things for reasons other than "not trying hard enough" or whatever lazy meme was being implied in the OP.

[GermanSoxFan]

12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Breaking news: People can fail at things for reasons other than "not trying hard enough" or whatever lazy meme was being implied in the OP.

Yeah. You‘d be crazy to say the Big Hurt wasn’t a hard worker, still couldn’t play first base at even a decent level.

[ShoeLessRob]

43 minutes ago, Superstar Lamar said:

before this becomes a thing, someone may want to tell the curator its called a moob on a man...unless he is implying TLR is a boob

 

[NWINFan]

2 hours ago, ThirdGen said:

Luzinski was an aging slugger at the end of his career.  He had previously played over 1200 games in the field in his career, and while not a great LF, he was good enough to not be completely one dimensional.  He would have been traded to the AL much earlier if that was the case.  Yermin has played one game in the field, and I doubt that number will get much higher.

Luzinski did play the outfield and he was bad at it. All I am saying that Yermin should be accepted for what he is, and if the manager has a problem has a problem with him, there are better ways of handling thnigs.

[Hamhock]

1 hour ago, NWINFan said:

Luzinski did play the outfield and he was bad at it.

Yeah, agreed - Luzinski's dWAR during his Philly years: -1.2, -1.8, -0.5, -2.8, -2.3, -1.9, -0.8, -2.6, -1.8.

[GermanSoxFan]

Sac bunts in all of 2020: 1

 

Sac bunts today: 3

[Goober]

Wowow Cardinals manager defending his player gallegos even after his obvious cheating, very interesting move

[SoxAce]

4 minutes ago, Goober said:

Wowow Cardinals manager defending his player gallegos even after his obvious cheating, very interesting move

He was protecting his guy even if he knew (which any manager would). But he is 100% right about alot of pitchers all around the league doing it. The worst one was the camera catching Karinchak and that substance in his glove. 

Edited May 26, 2021 by SoxAce

[chw42]

4 minutes ago, GermanSoxFan said:

Sac bunts in all of 2020: 1

 

Sac bunts today: 3

We only sac bunted once last year?