Guest JimH Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Just saw it on the White Sox site. They've both been added to the 40 man roster, which now stands at 39. Bye bye Brian Daubach ... Gload hits lefthanded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Glad to see they kept Pachecho, he would have been claimed in the Rule 5 had they not. Don't know much about Gload though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Its a wise move to get them both on the roster. Both could be valuable to the Sox as early as next season. I don't think this means Daubach is gone just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 can anybody advise which players are the most valuable or promising ones who are being exposed to the Rule Five Draft? be interesting to see the names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 can anybody advise which players are the most valuable or promising ones who are being exposed to the Rule Five Draft? be interesting to see the names I think that Gary Majewski is once again out there to be exposed. Not positive on that. I know BA does a list of the best guys available later in the year. Also, I'm just guessing but maybe Ryan Hankins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Stumm? I think the Sox left him exposed last year and nobody took him. interesting that majewski and Hankins are both in the AFL and not protected (if that is indeed the case). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Stumm? I think the Sox left him exposed last year and nobody took him. interesting that majewski and Hankins are both in the AFL and not protected (if that is indeed the case). I am almost positive in regards to Majewski. Now if they put him on the 40, then he's protected from how I understand it. I also think Stumm will once again be available, but whether a team takes a shot on him or not, who knows. I find it highly unlikely that a team would be willing to take him and keep him on a major league roster all season. He's already behind in progress, and another year will just screw him up more. If someone like Hankins is left on, then its a possibility. But you could see someone from the 40 dropped and Hankins added to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Jason, do you have a 40 man roster available? Tks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Jason, do you have a 40 man roster available? Tks. It's on Whitesox.com, just go to White Sox at the top then make sure you are viewing the 40-man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 I got this from Ryan gerds from teh Charlotte Knights. CHICAGO – The Chicago White Sox have purchased the contracts of first baseman Ross Gload from Class AAA Charlotte and right-handed pitcher Enemencio Pacheco from Class AA Birmingham. Gload, 27, batted .315 (160-508) with 18 home runs and 70 RBI for Charlotte in 2003. The left-handed batter led the International League in extra-base hits (64), ranked second in hits and slugging percentage (.524), tied for second in doubles (40) and finished fourth in average. Gload appeared in a combined 44 major-league games with the Chicago Cubs (2000) and Colorado Rockies (2002), going 14-62 (.226) with two home runs and seven RBI. Gload was acquired from the Rockies on March 31, 2003. Pacheco, 25, was 12-2 with a 2.56 ERA (43 ER/151.1 IP) in 24 starts at Birmingham. He tied for the Southern League lead in wins, ranked second in ERA and fifth in IP. The 6-1, 170-pounder limited opponents to a .234 (131-561) average, surrendering just five home runs. Pacheco faced the minimum 27 batters in Game 1 of the Southern League semifinal playoffs against Huntsville, tossing a complete-game two-hit shutout. The right-handed pitcher was acquired from the Colorado Rockies on July 29, 2002 in exchange for catcher Sandy Alomar, Jr. With the moves, the White Sox 40-man roster is at 39. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 no reason to keep Gload AND Daubach. they're the same player, aren't they? Gload will be a bunch cheaper, happy to be in the big leagues and reluctant to b**** that he should be playing more. and, hell, he might even deliver an occasional pinch hit. Boston sure seems to be doing all right without Daubach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 As reported by chisox.com these 2 were signed and added to the 40 man roster, there are now 39 men on the roster man roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 I can't find the 40 man roster. The closest thing to it is a list of 30 players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 the 40-man is on whitesox.com go to the main page. then click on The White Sox on the second line of the tool bar. that will give you the 25-man roster. Then click on 40-man roster on the right side of the page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Here you go..... Keep in mind that once the free agency date arrives, as the Everetts, Colons, Alomars, etc. file for free agency, they will not be counted on the Sox 40-man roster unless they re-sign with the Sox. White Sox 40-man Roster Pitchers 37 Jon Adkins L/R 6-0 200 08/30/77 56 Mark Buehrle L/L 6-2 200 03/23/79 40 Bartolo Colon R/R 5-11 240 05/24/73 38 Neal Cotts L/L 6-2 200 03/25/80 * 54 Felix Diaz R/R 6-1 180 07/27/80 * 20 Jon Garland R/R 6-6 205 09/27/79 32 Matt Ginter R/R 6-1 220 12/24/77 * 36 Tom Gordon R/R 5-10 190 11/18/67 44 Billy Koch R/R 6-3 215 12/14/74 21 Esteban Loaiza R/R 6-3 215 12/31/71 29 Corwin Malone R/L 6-3 200 07/03/80 * 43 Damaso Marte L/L 6-2 200 02/14/75 49 Arnaldo Munoz L/L 5-9 170 06/21/82 * -- Enemencio Pacheco R/R 6-1 170 08/31/78 * 51 Jon Rauch R/R 6-11 260 09/27/78 * 52 David Sanders L/L 6-0 200 08/29/79 * 60 Scott Schoeneweis L/L 6-0 190 10/02/73 47 Scott Sullivan R/R 6-3 210 03/13/71 46 Dan Wright R/R 6-5 225 12/14/77 65 Kelly Wunsch L/L 6-5 225 07/12/72 Catchers 15 Sandy Alomar R/R 6-5 235 06/18/66 27 Jamie Burke R/R 6-0 190 09/24/71 8 Miguel Olivo R/R 6-0 220 07/15/78 -- Mike Rivera R/R 6-0 210 09/08/76 * Infielders 12 Roberto Alomar S/R 6-0 185 02/05/68 24 Joe Crede R/R 6-2 195 04/26/78 -- Ross Gload L/L 6-0 185 04/05/76 * 17 Tony Graffanino R/R 6-1 190 06/06/72 13 Willie Harris L/R 5-9 175 06/22/78 14 Paul Konerko R/R 6-2 215 03/05/76 39 Aaron Miles S/R 5-8 170 12/15/76 22 Jose Valentin S/R 5-10 185 10/12/69 Outfielders 25 Joe Borchard S/R 6-5 220 11/25/78 * 23 Brian Daubach L/R 6-1 230 02/11/72 5 Carl Everett S/R 6-0 215 06/03/71 45 Carlos Lee R/R 6-2 235 06/20/76 30 Magglio Ordonez R/R 6-0 210 01/28/74 33 Aaron Rowand R/R 6-1 210 08/29/77 Designated Hitters 35 Frank Thomas R/R 6-5 275 05/27/68 * Not on Active Roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 What the lol, I made that post thinking it was a new thread. But I guess I put in the exact same title and subject as an earlier thread??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 I've been pretty high on Pacheco. I hear he has a 95 MPH fastball. Is this true Rex? That'd be awesome if it is true. We may have a power pitcher on our hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Thanks for the 40 man roster, Rex. It looks to me as if there are several shoe-ins to be removed one way or the other: Alomar Alomar Daubach Everett Other possibilities are Schoenweis and Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Thanks for the 40 man roster, Rex. It looks to me as if there are several shoe-ins to be removed one way or the other: Alomar Alomar Daubach Everett Other possibilities are Schoenweis and Sanders. Why would Schoenweis or Sanders be removed from the 40 man roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 no way Schoeneweis is removed. He has been promised a chance to be the number five starter. If he fails, we need him in the pen. As a lefty, Sanders also sticks -- at least through spring training. If we don't want him, he should have some trade value. I agree that both Alomars, Daubach and Everett could be goners. If we need to clear other spots, I would imagine that Mike Rivera and Scott Sullivan could be off. Rivera because the Sox never looked at him all season. Sully because he has an option the Sox might not pick up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Kip: Schoenweis and Sanders are "possibilities" for the same reason: they can't get anybody out. I'll reserve judgment on Sanders, because he can do okay at AAA, but Schoenweis was a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Kip: Schoenweis and Sanders are "possibilities" for the same reason: they can't get anybody out. I'll reserve judgment on Sanders, because he can do okay at AAA, but Schoenweis was a mistake. I think you're coming to that conclusion a little fast. Sanders never really got a good chance and Schoenweis showed lots of promise down the stretch. I think Schoenweis could at least be a decent Embree like pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Kip: Schoenweis and Sanders are "possibilities" for the same reason: they can't get anybody out. I'll reserve judgment on Sanders, because he can do okay at AAA, but Schoenweis was a mistake. I disagree with you on Schoeneweis. I think he could be effective as the 5th starter next year. His average season as a starter isn't great 8-10 5.25 ERA 5.2 IP/start, but it is better then most teams 5th starter and would be a SIGNIFICANT improvement over the production that the Sox got from the 5th starter in 2003 3-11 6.75 ERA 4.2 IP/start. If Schoenweis was the Sox 5th starter from day 1(assuming KW traded for him in the offseason), than I think the Sox could still be playing right now. He would also add a 2nd lefty to the rotation, which I love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 61382: How did Schoeneweis do against right handed hitters? Pretty poorly, as I recall. If he starts, the other team will load up, and he'll get creamed. The only stats I have on him for 2003 are his season long stats, not the splits between the Sox and Angels. But I remember him coming in relief with the game on the line and not getting anybody out. Twice. Of course ex-manager JM left him in too long, but that's another story. I think the Angel's dumped him for a reason. It wasn't to get Glover, who has since been released or reassigned. The only way he sticks for the season is if he is used exclusively in lefty vs lefty situations. Sort of a young and not so homely Jesse Orosco. I still say that his acquisition was a mistake. He is overpaid and we lost a super minor league pitching prospect in Bittner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 "61382: How did Schoeneweis do against right handed hitters? Pretty poorly, as I recall. If he starts, the other team will load up, and he'll get creamed. The only stats I have on him for 2003 are his season long stats, not the splits between the Sox and Angels." His career averages as a starter between 00-02 are 8-10 5.25 ERA 5.2IP/start, and I am sure most teams stacked their lineups with right hand hitters, so that really doesn't bother me. The fact is that his career averages as a starter are better then the average stats for a 5th starter, and a SIGNIFICANT improvement over the production the Sox got from their 5th starters combined in 2003. Throughout the majors teams have instability with their 5th starter(s) and Schoeneweis would provide stability and consistancy. I am not a huge Schoeneweis fan, but I realize that he is a better 5th starter then most in the majors. Its that simple. "The only way he sticks for the season is if he is used exclusively in lefty vs lefty situations." I disagree. One of the reasons that KW said that he got him was to give him another chance to start, and I think that at this point he is the favorite for the spot(assuming the Sox keep him for 2004). Not only that, but if the Sox want to win next year he is by far the best option, because you don't know what you are going to get from a rookie. "He is overpaid and we lost a super minor league pitching prospect in Bittner" That is a DRASTIC overexaggeration. I follow the minors religiously, and Bittner was FAR from a super pitching prospect. In fact I would say that the chances of him making the majors are less then 50%. He is already 23 and has never pitched above A ball. He is pitching against guys 2-3 years younger then him, and SHOULD be dominating. Besides, very few relievers in the minors make it in the majors. A majority of your relievers in the majors are failed starters. Bittner is FAR from a super prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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