zisk Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 looking like a legit mlb catcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, zisk said: looking like a legit mlb catcher Yep...I'm not at all bothered when he is catching instead of Grandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashman Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 And we could of figured this out in 2019 instead of playing Machado's brother in law. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, poppysox said: Yep...I'm not at all bothered when he is catching instead of Grandal. Another season in which Grandal is outplayed by his backup catcher. Seems to be a theme over the course of the guy’s career. Collins has really impressed, especially defensively, because I wasn’t expecting much from him there. Edited May 8, 2021 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runtheballdown Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Collins is a legit mlb catcher. Great eye and can obviously call a game. His power to center and left center is excellent. The more he plays the better he’ll get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 hour ago, runtheballdown said: Collins is a legit mlb catcher. Great eye and can obviously call a game. His power to center and left center is excellent. The more he plays the better he’ll get. Super happy it seems to have panned out for Collins, solid pro Wild Grandal is the biggest FA in franchise history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 33 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said: Wild Grandal is the biggest FA in franchise history That would be Bartolo Colon. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 minute ago, SonofaRoache said: That would be Bartolo Colon. Maybe Ronald Belisario or Matt Albers or Maikel Cleto too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 hour ago, ChiSoxJon said: Super happy it seems to have panned out for Collins, solid pro The concern about Collins was the catching ability and he has been fine there. We thought he would have a nice bat, so if he does find the stroke too we are in business. We need the power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Only problem is grandal has apparently had the influence on him of taking a knee while receiving pitches. All that does is decrease mobility reducing ability to block pitches and increasing spring time. Pure laziness with literally no advantage. I don’t remember him doing that at the beginning of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Vulture said: Only problem is grandal has apparently had the influence on him of taking a knee while receiving pitches. All that does is decrease mobility reducing ability to block pitches and increasing spring time. Pure laziness with literally no advantage. I don’t remember him doing that at the beginning of the season Narron was hired to specifically work with the catchers. I assume he is the influence behind the knee thing with both guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 49 minutes ago, Vulture said: Only problem is grandal has apparently had the influence on him of taking a knee while receiving pitches. All that does is decrease mobility reducing ability to block pitches and increasing spring time. Pure laziness with literally no advantage. I don’t remember him doing that at the beginning of the season I've seen more catchers doing that on other teams too. Don't think that originated with Grandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, Vulture said: Only problem is grandal has apparently had the influence on him of taking a knee while receiving pitches. All that does is decrease mobility reducing ability to block pitches and increasing spring time. Pure laziness with literally no advantage. I don’t remember him doing that at the beginning of the season So as the Vulture you basically eat the body of the dead so you are circling the barely alive carcass of the "lazy" Grandal is that it ? Oh I'm sorry "pure laziness". Since you don't remember him doing that at the beginning of the season, I'll just guess you don't remember he's had knee pain since the beginning of spring training. It may not be reported after every game "oh hey Sox fans, catcher is a very difficult position to play . In fact ,so difficult no one really wants to be a catcher and that's why most catchers are such lousy hitters and the one's who aren't often aren't kept at catcher by their teams because they don't want their best players playing through pain all the time." I'm just taking a wild guess here that "taking a knee" might have a little something to do with relieving pain in a sore knee or taking pressure off a knee that is balky. But that's just me . Can I ask what is "spring time" besides the time of year when flowers bloom ? Is this a stat I can look up so I can see if his spring time truly is increasing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: So as the Vulture you basically eat the body of the dead so you are circling the barely alive carcass of the "lazy" Grandal is that it ? Oh I'm sorry "pure laziness". Since you don't remember him doing that at the beginning of the season, I'll just guess you don't remember he's had knee pain since the beginning of spring training. It may not be reported after every game "oh hey Sox fans, catcher is a very difficult position to play . In fact ,so difficult no one really wants to be a catcher and that's why most catchers are such lousy hitters and the one's who aren't often aren't kept at catcher by their teams because they don't want their best players playing through pain all the time." I'm just taking a wild guess here that "taking a knee" might have a little something to do with relieving pain in a sore knee or taking pressure off a knee that is balky. But that's just me . Can I ask what is "spring time" besides the time of year when flowers bloom ? Is this a stat I can look up so I can see if his spring time truly is increasing ? I meant I don’t remember Collins doing that before. Grandal has always taken a knee. Nice rant though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: I've seen more catchers doing that on other teams too. Don't think that originated with Grandal. No but good catchers don’t do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 4 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Another season in which Grandal is outplayed by his backup catcher. Seems to be a theme over the course of the guy’s career. Collins has really impressed, especially defensively, because I wasn’t expecting much from him there. What backup catcher “outplayed” him prior to last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Funny how everybody was so hellbent on writing him off as being able to legitimately catch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Vulture said: Only problem is grandal has apparently had the influence on him of taking a knee while receiving pitches. All that does is decrease mobility reducing ability to block pitches and increasing spring time. Pure laziness with literally no advantage. I don’t remember him doing that at the beginning of the season Lol how do you know any of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: What backup catcher “outplayed” him prior to last year? There is the case of the dodgers playing Barnes over grandal in ‘17-18 postseasons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 His receiving / framing could use some refinement but overall looks much improved. Seems to be working well with Rodon and curious to see if he continues to catch Giolito. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Just now, Jerksticks said: Lol how do you know any of this? I watch the games? I guess I don’t know what you mean. He takes a knee on practically every pitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 I’m not sure how this is even controversial. Catchers shouldn’t be taking a knee with runners on base in particular. Note the distinct lack of taking a knee: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Just now, Vulture said: There is the case of the dodgers playing Barnes over grandal in ‘17-18 postseasons I’m aware of that, but Yas had the yips or something and Barnes wasn’t the better player over the course of the regular season. People can hate on Grandal all they want, but dude has been one of the best catchers in baseball over the past decade due to his hitting and framing alone. Yes, this season has been ugly so far, but let’s not discredit his track record because he can be a frustrating player to watch or cause he took the catcher job from the most overrated player in Soxtalk history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: What backup catcher “outplayed” him prior to last year? He wasn’t even outplayed last year really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulture Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: He wasn’t even outplayed last year really. According to war he was 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m aware of that, but Yas had the yips or something and Barnes wasn’t the better player over the course of the regular season. People can hate on Grandal all they want, but dude has been one of the best catchers in baseball over the past decade due to his hitting and framing alone. Yes, this season has been ugly so far, but let’s not discredit his track record because he can be a frustrating player to watch or cause he took the catcher job from the most overrated player in Soxtalk history. He got benched two postseasons in a row because he couldn’t be trusted to get the job done behind the plate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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