soxtalker Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 I really hope we are expecting better things from this club than to be a school of hard knocks for a manager wanna be Maybe he can go to detroit for a couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 You're not the only one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 I guess I'm one of the few that want ozzie next year. He was my fav. player when I was just getting into baseball in '93 (I was 7) He knows what 'playing with heart' is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 I guess I'm one of the few that want ozzie next year. He was my fav. player when I was just getting into baseball in '93 (I was 7) He knows what 'playing with heart' is. Nope, I am with you on Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 I don't see how Ozzie could make this team any worse. Someone with some energy and entertainment and maybe he could keep some of the dueches on this team in line and make sure they remember they are playing for a TEAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASHWOUND Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 I really hope we are expecting better things from this club than to be a school of hard knocks for a manager wanna be Maybe he can go to detroit for a couple years. I sorta agree, I would definitely have Ozzie as a bench coach or 3rd base coach like he was in Florida...But as a ML manager? MMm, nah But bring him back to the orginazation..definately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 I don't see how Ozzie could make this team any worse. Someone with some energy and entertainment and maybe he could keep some of the dueches on this team in line and make sure they remember they are playing for a TEAM. I'd be in support of guillen. If he can get this team fired up and moving around the bases, then it cant be that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASHWOUND Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 I don't see how Ozzie could make this team any worse. Someone with some energy and entertainment and maybe he could keep some of the dueches on this team in line and make sure they remember they are playing for a TEAM. Heh, you actually see Frank listening to Ozzie??? I just don't see him being a "leader" or a guy that the players will listen to..maybe in 10 years or so of coaching, but they may see him more like a player..and maybe not take his s*** too serious....being a player on a team and being manager of a team are two different spectrum's of being a leader and for-take different aspects coming out. He still seems to young and I think needs to pay more dues in the coaching field. I don't know.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 I'd love to see Ozzie. Plus now he gets World Series experiences, and he's learned a bit from McKeon, who we know is a good manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 I'd love to see Ozzie. Plus now he gets World Series experiences, and he's learned a bit from McKeon, who we know is a good manager. Too bad Manuel didn't learn a thing or two from Leyland in the '97 WS huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Manuel studied with the most LAID-BACK guys in MLB...Leyland and Alou. Ozzie has made the rounds with LaRussa, McKeon, and Robinson. Men who have brought out the most in their players. Ozzie would still have one the best bench coaches in MLB, with Nossek. Time for me to break out my black 13 jersey... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Bring on Ozzie. Why not? I'd rather have him that Buddy Bell, Francona, etc. Cito or Ozzie for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Heh, you actually see Frank listening to Ozzie??? I'm not 100% sure that Frank is back here next year to listen to WHOEVER we hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 I don't know how we could do worse with Ozzie....he wouldn't be half as bad as JM. I mean, I look at Ed Wedge in Cleveland....he was like 34 last year, and he had very little last year in Cleveland, and he still won 70-75 games and he put together a very good bullpen. Odds are, Guillen won't have that same kind of success when everything is considered(because even if we do make major changes, odds are, this team will still be more talented then the Indians), but I could see him winning us 85-90 games. I'd just hope that he would pull a Tony Pena and light a fire under this team's ass and that we'd go out and win 95 games or so. Odds are, that wouldn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 I don't know how we could do worse with Ozzie....he wouldn't be half as bad as JM. I mean, I look at Ed Wedge in Cleveland....he was like 34 last year, and he had very little last year in Cleveland, and he still won 70-75 games and he put together a very good bullpen. Odds are, Guillen won't have that same kind of success when everything is considered(because even if we do make major changes, odds are, this team will still be more talented then the Indians), but I could see him winning us 85-90 games. I'd just hope that he would pull a Tony Pena and light a fire under this team's ass and that we'd go out and win 95 games or so. Odds are, that wouldn't happen. Ed? I think you mean Eric Wedge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I don't know how we could do worse with Ozzie....he wouldn't be half as bad as JM. I mean, I look at Ed Wedge in Cleveland....he was like 34 last year, and he had very little last year in Cleveland, and he still won 70-75 games and he put together a very good bullpen. Odds are, Guillen won't have that same kind of success when everything is considered(because even if we do make major changes, odds are, this team will still be more talented then the Indians), but I could see him winning us 85-90 games. I'd just hope that he would pull a Tony Pena and light a fire under this team's ass and that we'd go out and win 95 games or so. Odds are, that wouldn't happen. Ed? I think you mean Eric Wedge Yep....my bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattcoz Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Heh, you actually see Frank listening to Ozzie??? Hmm, you got a point there, considering they used to be teammates. Then again maybe he would be willing to listen, because they know eachother so well. Ozzie might just be the kind of guy they're looking for though, he's definitely no Manuel. The problem is I don't think he has the mindset of a manager, but I guess its hard to tell because he's never been given that chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I could see Ozzie being successful with Nossek as his bench coach, Cooper as the pitching coach and Ozzie listening to them when they have input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I still like Ozzie. Believe me, he would make a huge difference, unlike the comatose cadaver we had in the dugout the last few years. Loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Now Manuel is up for a possible Red Sox job? Oh please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I've noticed that most people that don't want Ozzie have two main concerns: 1.handling the pitching staff 2. getting respect from the players I think with Nossek and Cooper the pitching staff won't be a problem. The thing I noticed of McKeon during the playoffs was that he stuck with his pitchers and let them decide their own fate. JM was a tinkerer. I think Ozzie would fall more into the McKeon mold and let the players play the game, not him. Getting respect from the players won't be an issue IMHO. Ozzie knows the situation and knows that he'll have to come down hard on whomever crosses him first. Set an example. Some ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ACTIONS!!! There hasn't been any accountability on this team for 5 years. It's amazing the impact being held responsible for your actions can have on your "heart" and "desire" to win and perform. Gaston seems too much like JM. I was so happy we dumped JM, the last thing I want to see is his older clone taking the helm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Manuel studied with the most LAID-BACK guys in MLB...Leyland and Alou. Ozzie has made the rounds with LaRussa, McKeon, and Robinson. Men who have brought out the most in their players. Ozzie would still have one the best bench coaches in MLB, with Nossek. Time for me to break out my black 13 jersey... Leyland and Alou laid back? What are you looking at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 The thing I noticed of McKeon during the playoffs was that he stuck with his pitchers and let them decide their own fate. JM was a tinkerer. I think Ozzie would fall more into the McKeon mold and let the players play the game, not him. Doing that same exact thing is what is getting Grady Little run out of Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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