beautox Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I went through all the umpire scorecards for the season up to date and the sox have been hosed to the tune of nearly -12 runs this season (-11.55). 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Just now, beautox said: I went through all the umpire scorecards for the season up to date and the sox have been hosed to the tune of nearly -12 runs this season (-11.55). Just based on watching most the games this is completely expected. The umps have been fucking horrible and lately it seems quite a few of the misses have been in counts where it would have been a strikeout or walk and completely changed the complexion of an inning against Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 If we are using "scores" to judge umpires for this (and last) season I'd say the class is the equivalent of Trump University. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, beautox said: I went through all the umpire scorecards for the season up to date and the sox have been hosed to the tune of nearly -12 runs this season (-11.55). Good work. I love when someone puts in the time and effort to check if we are truly seeing the Sox being hosed or is it just our rose colored fandom seeing it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 So then my question is if Sox catchers do a bad job at framing? Great work on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, fathom said: So then my question is if Sox catchers do a bad job at framing? Great work on this Maybe but it doesn't explain a ball 3 inches off the plate getting called a strike against Yermin. The rub for me on that particular call was that Happ had absolutely no control and that was obvious to everybody watching -- and yet the ump bent over backwards on 3-0 to give him a pitch that far off the plate? Just doesn't make any sense. Maybe if that was Greg Maddux the ump is thinking in the back of his mind to give him the benefit of the doubt but Happ was all the fucking place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 33 minutes ago, beautox said: I went through all the umpire scorecards for the season up to date and the sox have been hosed to the tune of nearly -12 runs this season (-11.55). Is there an average out there for each team? It would be interesting to see how this compares to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, ptatc said: Is there an average out there for each team? It would be interesting to see how this compares to others. I would assume that 0 would be average because for every positive, the other team gets the negative of that one. That being said, it would be interesting to see a ranking of this (not that I expect anyone to put in that kind of effort for all teams). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, vandy125 said: I would assume that 0 would be average because for every positive, the other team gets the negative of that one. That being said, it would be interesting to see a ranking of this (not that I expect anyone to put in that kind of effort for all teams). Yes, the average would be zero unless someone is calculating things wrong. What we're looking for here is a standard deviation, and how many deviations add up to that 11.55 figure. Not taking any statistics classes right now, or I might have done this one as a project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 hours ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: Yes, the average would be zero unless someone is calculating things wrong. What we're looking for here is a standard deviation, and how many deviations add up to that 11.55 figure. Not taking any statistics classes right now, or I might have done this one as a project. So the way they calculate it is by game against each opponent? This would make the average 0 then. A rank would be easier than the standard deviation to see if the umpires are truly biased against a team provided that all teams see the same rotation of umpires on an equal basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 hours ago, ptatc said: So the way they calculate it is by game against each opponent? This would make the average 0 then. A rank would be easier than the standard deviation to see if the umpires are truly biased against a team provided that all teams see the same rotation of umpires on an equal basis. Rank is not as relevant if you don't know standard deviation. If the Sox have the worst net umpire bias but are within a couple standard deviations of the entire dataset, then it isn't really significant as somebody has to be the worst. But if they're the worst and also 3+ deviations out, then that's a red flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgrittenburg Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 What a bunch of whiners, "were getting hosed" "MLB and the umps hate da Sox", hell, grow up!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoUEvenShift Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 17 hours ago, kgrittenburg said: What a bunch of whiners, "were getting hosed" "MLB and the umps hate da Sox", hell, grow up!! You must not watch the games or look at the data. There is literal proof home plate umpiring has cost the sox over 11 runs this year to this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 On 5/18/2021 at 5:40 PM, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: Rank is not as relevant if you don't know standard deviation. If the Sox have the worst net umpire bias but are within a couple standard deviations of the entire dataset, then it isn't really significant as somebody has to be the worst. But if they're the worst and also 3+ deviations out, then that's a red flag. This is really only true if you are looking at true red flags or if you are looking for them being significantly worse. If you are looking all trams within the standard deviation you could say that all trams are fairly even. However as you stated just using a simple rank will tell you what the relationship of their score relative to other teams. So they could not be significantly different from others yet still be on the bottom end of getting hosed. It depends on what you want the numbers to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, DoUEvenShift said: You must not watch the games or look at the data. There is literal proof home plate umpiring has cost the sox over 11 runs this year to this point. lol at him knowing what "data" means Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgrittenburg Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 On 5/19/2021 at 7:48 PM, joesaiditstrue said: lol at him knowing what "data" means Data proved Biden won the 2020 election, but 35 million dumb fucks disagree On 5/19/2021 at 7:48 PM, joesaiditstrue said: lol at him knowing what "data" means Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, kgrittenburg said: Data proved Biden won the 2020 election, but 35 million dumb fucks disagree Spurious data Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgrittenburg Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Which data was spurious? The machine data or the hand count that proved it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 On 5/18/2021 at 12:18 PM, fathom said: So then my question is if Sox catchers do a bad job at framing? Great work on this Yas has been even in framing in 2021 at zero runs. Collins is near the bottom at -2 with James mccann. I'd say this means we're getting screwed more when batting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 Bumping this because it was good work and deserves to stay on the main page, also this: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Kalapse said: Bumping this because it was good work and deserves to stay on the main page, also this: Crochet was brutal but so was that 3-2 slider that had the entire plate that was called a ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 For those interested in tracking along at home, Ump Scorecards just released a searchable database of all games, umps, teams, etc. Very cool tool. Now you can use data when you say "we got jobbed!" https://umpscorecards.com/site-data/games.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 -9.81 when batting -1.41 pitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 This is a fantastic thread. My question to anyone who has a quick answer based on the data how do the Sox place in reference to the rest of the league . Is -11 runs average or are we way out of whack compared to other teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, quickman said: This is a fantastic thread. My question to anyone who has a quick answer based on the data how do the Sox place in reference to the rest of the league . Is -11 runs average or are we way out of whack compared to other teams? It’s the worst one. correction: second worst. Dodgers are worse. Edited May 31, 2021 by Blackout Friday Correction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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