Why your favorite team can’t be more like the Rays

[caulfield12]

9 minutes ago, Flash said:

Yeah I pounded on the table for Castellanos before he signed with Cincy. The guy is for real but has opt out after '21 and Boros as agent so he would be the definition of a 'rental'. Still, what a bat in the 2 spot.

He’s not going to opt out with $66 million (some deferred) due him over the next three seasons...

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/cincinnati-reds/nick-castellanos-14145/

[Flash]

5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

He’s not going to opt out with $66 million (some deferred) due him over the next three seasons...

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/cincinnati-reds/nick-castellanos-14145/

I might be reading it wrong but best I can tell, he's due $48M which includes balance of '21. Basically, $16M/yr. It would take balls, but I believe he will opt out and be rewarded with a sizable raise (i.e 5years at @$125M ish) 

[caulfield12]

18 minutes ago, Flash said:

I might be reading it wrong but best I can tell, he's due $48M which includes balance of '21. Basically, $16M/yr. It would take balls, but I believe he will opt out and be rewarded with a sizable raise (i.e 5years at @$125M ish) 

He’s still due a minimum of $32 million for the 2022-23 seasons PLUS $14 million in deferred money...like splitting a signing bonus.

That’s $46 million for a two year commitment, including $2 million buyout for 2024.

We can split the difference on this year, $7 million for July though September.

Grand total is $53 million for 2 1/2 seasons.   JR will never sign off on that.  They might negotiate on the deferred money commitment, but to lower that $14 million is going to cost more in remaining prospect capital we can’t easily afford to surrender just to save money (see a certain 2016 trade.)

 

Not to mention buying at near peak value when he fell off quite a bit after hot starts in previous seasons...someone like Marte, Gallo or Haniger makes a lot more sense financially.  It also frees up a spot for Cespedes or Colas to grow into.

Edited June 9, 2021 by caulfield12

[Flash]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

He’s still due a minimum of $32 million for the 2022-23 seasons PLUS $14 million in deferred money...like splitting a signing bonus.

That’s $46 million for a two year commitment, including $2 million buyout for 2024.

We can split the difference on this year, $7 million for July though September.

Grand total is $53 million for 2 1/2 seasons.   JR will never sign off on that.  They might negotiate on the deferred money commitment, but to lower that $14 million is going to cost more in remaining prospect capital we can’t easily afford to surrender just to save money (see a certain 2016 trade.)

 

Not to mention buying at near peak value when he fell off quite a bit after hot starts in previous seasons...someone like Marte, Gallo or Haniger makes a lot more sense financially.  It also frees up a spot for Cespedes or Colas to grow into.

I don't disagree he'd be too expensive for JR. I also doubt Cincy will trade him unless/until there is a clear indication on the Reds prospects for POs, which, as we sit here, aren't unreasonable. I'm saying he will likely opt out after the season so if Jupiter aligns with Mars, he could possibly be acquired at the deadline but would be unlikely to remain with WS beyond '21 due to opt out.  Dead horse.

[South Side Hit Men]

Wouldn’t spend a penny on anything other than relief pitching at this point, at least until they get a better handle on Robert and Eloy’s status over the next month.

I don’t think there are huge $s for Hahn to spend, at least for this season, for big contracts like Bryant, Castellanos.

[chitownsportsfan]

2 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Wouldn’t spend a penny on anything other than relief pitching at this point, at least until they get a better handle on Robert and Eloy’s status over the next month.

I don’t think there are huge $s for Hahn to spend, at least for this season, for big contracts like Bryant, Castellanos.

They absolutely need to sign Lynn.  There's no doubt about that.  3 years 60 million, see what he says, get creative with it if they have to like Liam's deal.

[South Side Hit Men]

2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

They absolutely need to sign Lynn.  There's no doubt about that.  3 years 60 million, see what he says, get creative with it if they have to like Liam's deal.

I’m talking about the rest of this season.

Wouldn’t jump on any extensions, especially pitchers, until the season shakes out. Between the sticky substances fallout and health, you can get burnt relatively quickly signing a pitcher to big dollars.

Lynn was the best player acquisition the past two years (Katz best overall), but I’m cautious about three years unless there is certainty of a significant payroll budget increase. A lengthy postseason would go a long way in securing said increase, as Jerry has consistently increased budgets for anticipated attendance increases.

[chitownsportsfan]

1 minute ago, South Side Hit Men said:

I’m talking about the rest of this season.

Wouldn’t jump on any extensions, especially pitchers, until the season shakes out. Between the sticky substances fallout and health, you can get burnt relatively quickly signing a pitcher to big dollars.

Lynn was the best player acquisition the past two years (Katz best overall), but I’m cautious about three years unless there is certainty of a significant payroll budget increase. A lengthy postseason would go a long way in securing said increase, as Jerry has consistently increased budgets for anticipated attendance increases.

No reason to give up anything of value in the trade market or to resign anybody right now, although getting something done with Gio might make sense as his value has dipped a bit.  In general with the CBA uncertainty I can't really see much getting done.