chitownsportsfan Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Just now, ptatc said: Guilty, I bow down and repent. I guess some people don't know where "the besssssssssssssss" nickname comes from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: I guess some people don't know where "the besssssssssssssss" nickname comes from? Heard it, didn't know the origin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Me thinks Eloy is going to be in Chicago well before 20 days of rehab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raBBit Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: Me thinks Eloy is going to be in Chicago well before 20 days of rehab. If he's smashing the ball all week I don't know how they keep him down for next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 From The Athletic's medical staff: https://theathletic.com/2695140/2021/07/08/mlb-injury-mailbag-updates-on-luis-robert-and-eloy-jimenez-kyle-schwarbers-realistic-timeline-and-more/ Quote He was initially slated to miss 5-6 months. While I expect a full recovery before the start of the 2022 season, Jiménez seems to be rushing his return. Not only does that pectoral tendon need time to heal following surgery, but it will then take a significant amount of time to get strength back in the chest and arms. If Jiménez returns but is much weaker than he was before the injury, he is putting himself at a very high risk of suffering a new injury. Jiménez was cleared to resume baseball activities about three weeks ago. He could return in August if his body continues to respond well to an increase in activity. My biggest concern is his ability to swing the bat at full speed without aggravating something. This will also affect his power whenever he is back in the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: From The Athletic's medical staff: https://theathletic.com/2695140/2021/07/08/mlb-injury-mailbag-updates-on-luis-robert-and-eloy-jimenez-kyle-schwarbers-realistic-timeline-and-more/ I would somewhat disagree. 5-6 months is feasible but on the very conservative side. The tendon should be healed at 3 months. As long as he has full range, I don't see an issue with the swing as that muscle is a not primary muscle. It does need at least decent strength though. Edited July 13, 2021 by ptatc 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 15 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: From The Athletic's medical staff: https://theathletic.com/2695140/2021/07/08/mlb-injury-mailbag-updates-on-luis-robert-and-eloy-jimenez-kyle-schwarbers-realistic-timeline-and-more/ I'm by no means a doctor myself, but someone trying to prognose an injury from the outside without seeing whatever was seen when they opened it up seems dubious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, mqr said: I'm by no means a doctor myself, but someone trying to prognose an injury from the outside without seeing whatever was seen when they opened it up seems dubious. True, whether it is The Atlantic's staff or PTATC, medical commentators provide their best take/analysis based on prior experience and publicly known data and disclosures. (which is why I "thanked" his post). Just posted this as additional information to consider (the same article had no concerns to date regarding Robert's recovery). Hoping the Sox medical / training team can manage this from afar conservatively, so that there are no setbacks from Eloy pushing it because he 'feels good". Still concerned he is attempting to play LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 The White Sox have a medical staff that has cleared Eloy for this activity. I don't think they would take a big risk with a cornerstone of their foundation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The White Sox have a medical staff that has cleared Eloy for this activity. I don't think they would take a big risk with a cornerstone of their foundation. Yeah I'm sure this was heavily discussed and planned. No way they risk Eloy's health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: True, whether it is The Atlantic's staff or PTATC, medical commentators provide their best take/analysis based on prior experience and publicly known data and disclosures. (which is why I "thanked" his post). Just posted this as additional information to consider (the same article had no concerns to date regarding Robert's recovery). Hoping the Sox medical / training team can manage this from afar conservatively, so that there are no setbacks from Eloy pushing it because he 'feels good". Still concerned he is attempting to play LF. Exactly. We use the available information (never the full picture from the teams) then use common healing, rehab principles and experience with same or similar injuries ( we haven't examined the athletes but again use available information) to make an educated guess as to the prognosis. By no means is it set it stone but more for education and general timeframes. That article is from a group that has a algorithm for injuries based on various medical staffs for fantasy sports. they seem to have sources with teams and have additional information we may not have. Although there system always seems to have most significant injuries between 6-8 weeks. Shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The White Sox have a medical staff that has cleared Eloy for this activity. I don't think they would take a big risk with a cornerstone of their foundation. The key variable they have that no one else does is where his strength is. The healing and surgery are generalizable. How quickly he is gaining strength isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ShoeLessRob Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 ??? they’re really going to let him back in LF aren’t they? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said: ??? they’re really going to let him back in LF aren’t they? He has to occasionally, even if he's not the primary LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, manbearpuig said: He has to occasionally, even if he's not the primary LF. Yes. If they're in the World Series in an NL park, then they have my blessing to play him in LF. All other times, nope. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, manbearpuig said: He has to occasionally, even if he's not the primary LF. He doesn’t HAVE too. But I’m sure they’ll appease him and he’ll be out there 5/7 games in LF then we’ll have this conversation again when he does something stupid out there and/or gets injured. Edited July 13, 2021 by ShoeLessRob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said: He doesn’t HAVE too. But I’m sure they’ll appease him and he’ll be out there 5/7 games in LF then we’ll have this conversation again when he does something stupid out there and/or gets injured. I don't even think it's him wanting to play the field I think it's more "we have a million DH types already and in the playoffs and stretch run this is where you're gonna have to play". I'm probably one of the biggest "he can't fucking play LF safely" people here but he's just gonna have to this year, there's no other place to put him. We just have to hope he doesn't collide with any objects hard enough to hurt himself or someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said: I don't even think it's him wanting to play the field I think it's more "we have a million DH types already and in the playoffs and stretch run this is where you're gonna have to play". I'm probably one of the biggest "he can't fucking play LF safely" people here but he's just gonna have to this year, there's no other place to put him. We just have to hope he doesn't collide with any objects hard enough to hurt himself or someone else. Yeah. He needs to watch videos from when Adam Dunn or even Manny Ramirez played LF. Manny faked it an entire career lol Edited July 13, 2021 by manbearpuig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, manbearpuig said: Yeah. He needs to watch videos from when Adam Dunn or even Manny Ramirez played LF. Manny faked it an entire career lol IKR? Manny had the monster to just play wall ball with but FFS if Manny can play a -10 run LF safely for 15 years you'd think Eloy could. I'm not sure he can tho. Dude is the LF version of Jim Furyk's swing: An octopus falling out of a tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said: I don't even think it's him wanting to play the field I think it's more "we have a million DH types already and in the playoffs and stretch run this is where you're gonna have to play". I'm probably one of the biggest "he can't fucking play LF safely" people here but he's just gonna have to this year, there's no other place to put him. We just have to hope he doesn't collide with any objects hard enough to hurt himself or someone else. I don't agree with this. All moving Eloy to left does is shift Vaughn to DH. And at this point, there isn't a sane person who wouldn't prefer Vaughn in left and Eloy at DH, given the choice. Are we really going to put Eloy back out in the field, where he always gets hurt, just so that Sheets and Burger can have some DH starts???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Perfect Vision said: I don't agree with this. All moving Eloy to left does is shift Vaughn to DH. And at this point, there isn't a sane person who wouldn't prefer Vaughn in left and Eloy at DH, given the choice. Are we really going to put Eloy back out in the field, where he always gets hurt, just so that Sheets and Burger can have some DH starts???? You could be correct. I hope you are because it means everybody is relatively healthy. Here's hoping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) I think Eloy should be the primary DH moving forward. But I want his bat in the lineup at NL parks and in the the World Series, if we're ever lucky enough to get there. He needs to play some LF this season and next until Abreu is gone (which likely isn't even happening after 22) and he can learn to play some 1B. Edited July 13, 2021 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I think Eloy should be the primary DH moving forward. But I want his bat in the lineup at NL parks and in the the World Series, if we're ever lucky enough to get there. He needs to play some LF this season and next until Abreu is gone (which likely isn't even happening after 22) and he can learn to play some 1B. Yea at first he can only collide with runners of the other team, Oh wait he could collide with the 2nd baseman and the catcher on pop ups. Ok and maybe the RFer on popups. Well Ok maybe the umpire too . Oh wait he can fall into the dugout. Wait there is netting in front of the standings too right ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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