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My Semi Realistic Roster

 

Pitching

Colon

Buehrle

Loaiza

Garland

Scho/Wright/Jeff D'Amic/Sterling Hithcock/Cotts/Rauch

 

Bullpen

Wright/Scho

Hawkins

Sully or Shiggy

Koch

Wunsch

Marte

If Wright and Sho don't make the rotation, them two; otherwise, Munoz, Ginter, Sanders, Majew.

 

Starters

Castillo

Guzman

Harris

Ordonez

Crede

Fullmer

Olivo

Lee

Everett

 

Bench

Daubach

Rowand

Graffy

Alomar Jr.

 

Thomas gets a multi year deal elsewhere and decides to take it. Its for very similar bucks. Konerko gets dealt and the Sox pay a few mill. Not gonna speculate who they get, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was a higher paid type cf or something.

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1B Spiezio

2B Alomar

SS Guzman

3B Crede

RF Maggs

CF Rowand

LF Lee

C Olivo

DH Everett (I want him back more than Thomas)

 

Starters

1. Colon

2. Buehrle

3. Loaiza

4. Garland

5. Schoenweiss

 

Relievers

Koch, Marte, Wunsch, Wright, Sullivan, Hawkins

 

Bench

Graffanino, Alomar Jr., Rowand, Gload, Miles

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Buehrle

Colon

Vazquez

Loaiza

Garland

Hawkins, Koch, Schoenweis, Marte, Wunsch, Wright

Spezio

Castillo

Valentin

Crede

Lee

Rowand-unless rumor is true then insert Harris

Ordonez

Thomas

Olivo

Miles, Gload, Burke, Harris/Rowand, Alomar Jr...

Um...is this supposed to be realistic.

no

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Buehrle

Colon

Vazquez

Loaiza

Garland

Hawkins, Koch, Schoenweis, Marte, Wunsch, Wright

Spezio

Castillo

Valentin

Crede

Lee

Rowand-unless rumor is true then insert Harris

Ordonez

Thomas

Olivo

Miles, Gload, Burke, Harris/Rowand, Alomar Jr...

Um...is this supposed to be realistic.

no

Thats fine just wondering.

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Buehrle

Colon

Vazquez

Loaiza

Garland

Hawkins, Koch, Schoenweis, Marte, Wunsch, Wright

Spezio

Castillo

Valentin

Crede

Lee

Rowand-unless rumor is true then insert Harris

Ordonez

Thomas

Olivo

Miles, Gload, Burke, Harris/Rowand, Alomar Jr...

Um...is this supposed to be realistic.

no

Thats fine just wondering.

Beastly Ordonez note: Tell the posters if it has to be real or wishful thinking.

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Since everyone is being unrealistic here is my unrealistic(semi-reasonable) team.

 

Manager: Gaston

 

1) Castillo 2B(7M)

2) Guillen SS(3M)

3) Fullmer DH(1.5M)

4) Maggs RF(14M)

5) Spiezio 1B(3.5M)

6) Crede 3B(400K)

7) Reed LF(400K)

8) Rowand CF(400K)

9) Olivo C (400K)

total 30.6M

 

1) Colon RH(13M)

2) Buehrle LH(3M)

3) Loaiza RH(3.5M)

4) Garland RH(1M)

5) Schoeneweis/Alverez(1.5M)

total 22M

 

1) Hawkins RH(4M)

2) Marte LH(1M)

3) Wunsch LH(1M)

4) Koch RH(6M)

5) Wright RH(400K)

6) Ginter/Rauch/Diaz RH(400K)

total 12.8M

 

1) Graffy IF(1M)

2) Daubach 1B/DH(1M)

3) Harris CF/2B(400K)

4) Borchard OF(400K)

5) Rivera/Burke C(400K)

total 3.2M

 

total payroll 67.6 - a little too much for JR taste

 

I think this team would be the clear favorite to win the Central. The offense would probably be better because they improve the 3 major weaknesses: batting average, OBP, and speed. There would be a drastic decrease in HR's, however I think the fact that the Sox ranked 4th in HR's and 5th in OPS, but only 8th in runs scored shows that if this team improves their 3 weaknesses they will score more runs on offense even with a decrease in power. The starting pitching remains th e same with the exception of the 5th starter. Loaiza will probably regress some, but improvement from the 5th starter should counter that and give the Sox one of the top rotations in the AL. The bullpen should be slightly better with Hawkins and hopefully a better Koch. The defense would be significantly better as well. The moves to make this happen would be the following:

 

Trades:

 

Lee to Seattle for Guillen and prospect

 

Konerko to LA or Baltimore for a so-so prospect

 

Signs:

 

Castillo

Spiezio

Fullmer

Hawkins

possible Hawkins

 

Resign:

Colon

Graffy

Daubach

 

This is unrealistic because there is no way that JR spends 67M. It will be an interesting offseason though.

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While it's too early to speculate the entire roster at this point, there's definitely some interesting ideas in this post.  Keep up the creative ideas guys, maybe some of them will come true.

 

:headbang  :headbang

Very interesting indeed, lets try to save this post for the offseason if a mod could do that...

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Starting Line-up

 

1B Fullmer

2B Alomar

SS Guzman

3B Crede

LF Rowand

CF Reed

RF Ordonez

C Olivo

DH Lee

 

If we do let Thomas walk I'd like to see the Sox have Carlos DH, and let Reed patrol center and let Rowand handle left. I know Carlos hustles every play but this would definatly strengthen our defense.

 

Rotation

1. Loaiza

2. Colon

3. Buehrle

4. Wilson Alvarez

5. Garland

 

Bullpen

Sullivan

Gordon

Marte

Schoenweiss

Wunsch

Koch

 

Bench

Alomar Jr.

Harris

Graffanino

Daubach

 

CWSOX45

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C - Olivo

1B - Daubach

2B - Alomar

SS - Carlos Guillen

3B - Crede

LF - Lee

CF - Jose Cruz Jr.

RF - Everett

DH - Konerko

 

Cruz Jr. S

Alomar S

Lee R

Konerko R

Everett S

Daubach L

Crede R

Guillen S

Olivo R

 

SP - Buehrle, Loaiza, Garland, Lidle, Schoewneweiss

 

RP - Marte, Hasegawa, Hawkins, Koch, Wunsch, Wright, Sullivan

 

Bench - Burke, Graffanino, Gload, Miles, Harris, Rowand, Fulmer, Valentin

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"1B Fullmer"

 

I love the idea of Fullmer, however, he is a terrible defensive 1B.

 

"2B Alomar"

 

I would almost rather have Harris or Miles get a shot then bring back Alomar. It is clear to see that he just isn't a good offensive player any more and at his age isn't going to get any better. Harris offers great speed and D, and could probably put up similar offensive numbers. I have never been a huge fan of Miles, but all this guy does is hit. I think of a Todd Walker when I see Miles, a guy that doesn't do anything really good, but his ability to hit always gets him starting roles. IF Alomar wants more then 3M/yr then the Sox better let him go, and I just feel that they could get similar production from Harris or Miles for the minimum.

 

"SS Guzman"

 

Guzman would be a decent option, however, I think he is under contract for 1 more year with the Twins so the Sox would have to trade for him. IF he was available of course.

 

"4. Wilson Alvarez"

 

Alverez is my sleeper for next year. I really think he could be next years Loaiza, and I would love to see the Sox take a flyer on him. He was one of the most dominating pitchers in the 2nd half this past season, and could be hard for a bargain.

 

"Gordon"

 

I am a little concerned about his age and health problems, especially after the workload he had this past year. I think Hawkins would be a wiser investment and he probably wouldn't cost much more.

 

"1B - Daubach"

 

I think I am one of the few guys that actually likes Daubach and think that he could be a cheap replacement if Thomas and/or Konerko are gone.

 

"SS - Carlos Guillen"

 

He is my number one choice if the Sox don't get one of the big 3(Tejada, Matsui, Cabrera).

 

"CF - Jose Cruz Jr."

 

Cruz is a classic underachiever. He has all the potential, but has never put it all together. His .251 career batting average is an example of that, and I think the area that the Sox need to improve the most offensively is batting average. He would not be a good leadoff hitter either. Too many SO and not a high enough OBP. He isn't a CF either. He also has an option that San Fran could pick up, so he might not be available.

 

"RF - Everett"

 

Trading Maggs is a realistic possibility, so where would you trade him to and what would the sox get back in return?

 

"Lidle"

 

Lidle would be an interesting possibility depending on how much he wants. If he wants 6+M then I would have to pass, but if you could get him for around 4M than he might be a decent option. I would still like to see the sox resign Colon though, because I think pitching will/should be the key.

 

"RP - Marte, Hasegawa, Hawkins, Koch, Wunsch, Wright, Sullivan"

 

This bullpen would be great and I am a huge believer that a good bullpen is key in todays game, but it would cost you about 17-18M. That is a huge portion of the total payroll for a bullpen.

 

"Bench - Burke, Graffanino, Gload, Miles, Harris, Rowand, Fulmer, Valentin"

 

Thats a huge bench. Generally you have 6 relievers and 5 bench players.

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...long post...

With the bench, yeah I know, I am just saying guys like that. With Mags, I am saying get some young talent, and free up money. Having Daubs play would free up some money for bullpen too. I see no way to resign Colon, and Lidle could, keyword, be cheap. Ya say Cruz isn't a CF, but, well, um, we had good ole Carl Everett in CF for abit of this season. Anything is possible, also be stated that SF won't resign him.

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A realistic 2004 Sox's team:

 

Pitching staff

 

Rotation

 

Colon RH(13M)

Buehrle LH(2.0M) if he goes to arbitration he might get 3.0-3.5 mil.

Loaiza RH(4.0M)

Garland RH(1M)

Schoeneweis(1.5M) or Rauch (300K)

 

Bullpen

 

C) Marte(600K)

Wunsch (1.5M)

Koch (6M)

Wright (400K)

Ginter(400K)

Either Rauch or Schoeneweis.

 

Tota l$$$ for pitching: 26.7M

 

Lineup

 

1) Alomar 2B(2.5M)

2) Carlos LF(6.0M)

3) ***See below

4) Maggs RF(14.0M)

5) ***See below

6) Crede 3B(400K)

7) Valentin SS(3.0M)

8) Rowand CF(400K)

9) Olivo C (400K)

 

Total $$$ for hitting: 26.7M (Plus 6-10 mil extra somewhere in between)

 

***The way i see our 1B/DH situation is:

 

1) If Frank picks up his option he's our DH/1B

2) PK needs to be traded, if he can't be traded and Thomas dosen't pick up his option, then Thomas is gone. PK will then be the DH/1B

3) PK gets traded, Thomas dosen't pick up his option, then the Sox's can pick up Thomas option.

4) Trade PK, let Thomas walk and sign crap to replace them, keeping our payroll around 55M.

 

So either way our total payroll falls somewhere in the 60-65M range.

 

If Colon dosen't sign this could turn into a fire sale really quick.

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I don't think Daubach likes it here.

He'll be gone, no doubt about it.

 

If I remember correctly, he made some comments about Boston when we played them this year that really made it seem as though he was envious of what they were doing this year and how much he missed playing there.

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