2Deep Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Kimbrel & Tapera for Heuer, Lopez, Crochet and a couple A prospects Get it done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, Sockin said: FWIW Fegan is doing an AMA on reddit right now and he does not think the Sox will be adding a 2B and will instead add bullpen pieces. https://www.reddit.com/r/whitesox/comments/osohaj/ama_with_james_fegan_from_the_athletic/h6q7bq2/ Good god that would suck if we can’t even get a rental 2B. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 minute ago, 2Deep said: Kimbrel & Tapera for Heuer, Lopez, Crochet and a couple A prospects Get it done Grossssssss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kitekrazy Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, ron883 said: I still don't buy the claim that the Sox don't have the minor leaguers to complete an Eduardo Escobar trade (Fegan said that in his AMA basically). He's a freaking 1 year rental at 2B. It can't cost that much. The original asking price was Vaughn. I don't think it's the end of the world if nothing happens. It's not like they tried. This is an unusual situation for any organization. How many winning teams are trading from a position of weakness? That is where they are at right now. Social media is all about attention. It's like DUH! they are trying to get certain pieces. Yet we pay attention to all of these tweets as if there is some truth to them. If nothing happens don't blame Hahn. Either the price was too high or the other team isn't interested in what's offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just now, maxjusttyped said: A perfect fix for the Sox greatest IL team in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 minute ago, kitekrazy said: The original asking price was Vaughn. I don't think it's the end of the world if nothing happens. It's not like they tried. This is an unusual situation for any organization. How many winning teams are trading from a position of weakness? That is where they are at right now. Social media is all about attention. It's like DUH! they are trying to get certain pieces. Yet we pay attention to all of these tweets as if there is some truth to them. If nothing happens don't blame Hahn. Either the price was too high or the other team isn't interested in what's offered. If the White Sox don't make moves, and they're knocked out of the playoffs by the Astros in round 1 with Heuer on the mound getting shelled or after an error by Leury, you darn well better blame Rick Hahn. Unless LaRussa is actually making GM decisions, then you blame whoever made that call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: The original asking price was Vaughn. I don't think it's the end of the world if nothing happens. It's not like they tried. This is an unusual situation for any organization. How many winning teams are trading from a position of weakness? That is where they are at right now. Social media is all about attention. It's like DUH! they are trying to get certain pieces. Yet we pay attention to all of these tweets as if there is some truth to them. If nothing happens don't blame Hahn. Either the price was too high or the other team isn't interested in what's offered. If nothing happens of course Hahn deserves blame. Whether that's for being unwilling to trade the prospect capital to make the obvious upgrades this team needs, or allowing the farm system to reach a point where it's so baron they couldn't even trade for adequate players that are 2 months from free agency. You'd have to pick one of those choices. We all know Leury isn't good enough to be plan A at 2B for a World Series contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 I’ll be honest, I’ll be livid if we enter October with Leury as our starting 2B. That is 100% unacceptable for a team trying to win a World Series. If he gets injured then we’re starting Mendick everyday with Tim Beckham as our reserve infielder. At a bare minimum, we have to add another infielder to mix for depth purposes. Also, Fegan basically confirmed the Sox aren’t stretching out Kopech because he’s too important to the bullpen right now. It’s terrifying that we might compromise his ability to start next year because the rest of the pen underperformed. We better get two relievers between now and Friday and let Kopech make some starts down the stretch. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Good god that would suck if we can’t even get a rental 2B. cool with me if the choice is add multiple relievers or an rp and 2b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If the White Sox don't make moves, and they're knocked out of the playoffs by the Astros in round 1 with Heuer on the mound getting shelled or after an error by Leury, you darn well better blame Rick Hahn. Unless LaRussa is actually making GM decisions, then you blame whoever made that call. What makes you think this team is capable of going deep into the playoffs? The starting pitching is there. You can only hope the offense is firing on all cylinders. The bullpen is a dart board with consistency. A veteran arm is needed there. We also assume everyone will be healthy. Too many IFs for this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If the White Sox don't make moves, and they're knocked out of the playoffs by the Astros in round 1 with Heuer on the mound getting shelled or after an error by Leury, you darn well better blame Rick Hahn. Unless LaRussa is actually making GM decisions, then you blame whoever made that call. Yep they basically blew the postseason last year by sitting still at the deadline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Give them Crochet for Kimbrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If the White Sox don't make moves, and they're knocked out of the playoffs by the Astros in round 1 with Heuer on the mound getting shelled or after an error by Leury, you darn well better blame Rick Hahn. Unless LaRussa is actually making GM decisions, then you blame whoever made that call. This ^ Many of us pointed out how thin the team was on Opening Day -- the position they're in now is related to that, both in terms of their on-field needs (not signing depth in the offseason) and the fact that they have nothing in the upper minors to move (having called everyone up to be the depth they didn't sign). You can say they "tried" and be correct if they spent their money, but they didn't -- we're still right in the middle of the payroll pack where we were before the rebuild began. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Grossssssss In what sense....... Our overvalued love for Codi Heuer? That Crochet is going to be some sort of a stud SP going forward? That Kimbrel improves our window for next 2 years to win a Title? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said: If nothing happens of course Hahn deserves blame. Whether that's for being unwilling to trade the prospect capital to make the obvious upgrades this team needs, or allowing the farm system to reach a point where it's so baron they couldn't even trade for adequate players that are 2 months from free agency. You'd have to pick one of those choices. We all know Leury isn't good enough to be plan A at 2B for a World Series contender. Of course not. The farm system is somewhat barren. You'd hope someone would be interested in Lopez or Stiever. All of the so called farm studs are either playing or on IL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 32 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: There is zero chance JR takes Hosmer's money. They didn't make those type of moves when they were rebuilding. They certainly are not now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) Hosmer is a guy who goes opposite field a lot right? Feel like he would make sense on the Red Sox in Fenway, who don't get a lot of production at 1B as is. Not at his full salary of course, though it was a more front-loaded deal. Edited July 27, 2021 by manbearpuig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, 2Deep said: Kimbrel & Tapera for Heuer, Lopez, Crochet and a couple A prospects Get it done I would be very surprised if the Sox made Crochet available in trade talks. He's a valuable bullpen piece right now and has starter potential if developed properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 minute ago, manbearpuig said: Hosmer is a guy who goes opposite field a lot right? Feel like he would make sense on the Red Sox in Fenway, who don't get a lot of production at 1B as is. Yep was thinking Boston would be a good fit given their ability to take on money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, 2Deep said: In what sense....... Our overvalued love for Codi Heuer? That Crochet is going to be some sort of a stud SP going forward? That Kimbrel improves our window for next 2 years to win a Title? You realize Crochet is just turned 22 about a month ago and had zero time in the minors to develop before being tossed into a MLB bullpen, right? The stuff is there, and with further development he could become really valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 48 minutes ago, ron883 said: I still don't buy the claim that the Sox don't have the minor leaguers to complete an Eduardo Escobar trade (Fegan said that in his AMA basically). He's a freaking 1 year rental at 2B. It can't cost that much. That's probably true, which is why I imagine the Diamondbacks are taking all the time they can to shop around. I bet he'll move for about what we expect within a day of the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Anyone advocating for trading Heuer in a deal for a non elite reliever would regret it once he's somewhere else and regresses back to a normal BABIP again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, manbearpuig said: Hosmer is a guy who goes opposite field a lot right? Feel like he would make sense on the Red Sox in Fenway, who don't get a lot of production at 1B as is. Not at his full salary of course, though it was a more front-loaded deal. Hosmer's only value, at this point, is to an early-stage rebuilder, with 1B ABs to spare, who can take his contract to get some prospects along with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Trading MLB relievers for other MLB relievers would be a really sad and bad deadline strategy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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