Bob Sacamano Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 What's the most you would offer to the Pirates in a deal for Frazier (or even Frazier + a RP)? A package with Sheets as a centerpiece, along with a couple pitching prospects? I've been trying to come up with offers that make sense for rentals and guys with control through '22 (Frazier, Gallo, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 1:27 PM, manbearpuig said: What's the most you would offer to the Pirates in a deal for Frazier (or even Frazier + a RP)? A package with Sheets as a centerpiece, along with a couple pitching prospects? I've been trying to come up with offers that make sense for rentals and guys with control through '22 (Frazier, Gallo, etc). Expand I think if the Sox could get Frazier for a package centered around Sheets, Frazier would already be in a Sox uni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) On 7/19/2021 at 2:05 PM, ChiSox59 said: I think if the Sox could get Frazier for a package centered around Sheets, Frazier would already be in a Sox uni. Expand That's what I figured too. Deal Adolfo for Escobar straight up and call it a day. Edited July 19, 2021 by manbearpuig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) On 7/19/2021 at 2:14 PM, manbearpuig said: That's what I figured too. Deal Adolfo for Escobar straight up and call it a day. Expand heres our impending minor league free agent who cant hit in AA, we want your all star. Do we have a deal? Edited July 19, 2021 by reiks12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 2:22 PM, reiks12 said: heres are impending minor league free agent who cant hit in AA, we want your all star. Do we have a deal? Expand Nobody is taking Adolfo as the main piece in a deal, but Arizona is far enough from contending that they might take a flyer on him as the second piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) On 7/19/2021 at 2:22 PM, reiks12 said: heres are impending minor league free agent who cant hit in AA, we want your all star. Do we have a deal? Expand Adolfo should be plenty for Arizona. They might prefer someone else, but they aren't getting anything exciting for 8-9 weeks of Escobar. Edit: if the rumored deal of Luke Schilling for Escobar was accurate (prior to injury), that gives you an idea of the type of return Escobar would requite. Edited July 19, 2021 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 2:25 PM, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: Nobody is taking Adolfo as the main piece in a deal, but Arizona is far enough from contending that they might take a flyer on him as the second piece. Expand yeah for sure, im just addressing the comment that we can trade adolfo straight up for anything. Not going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 2:22 PM, reiks12 said: heres our impending minor league free agent who cant hit in AA, we want your all star. Do we have a deal? Expand Adolfo also leads the southern league in Homers, RBI (by a wide margin) and is top 5 in OPS.......so if he can't hit AA pitching....no one in that league can. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 2:29 PM, ChiSox59 said: Adolfo also leads the southern league in Homers, RBI (by a wide margin) and is top 5 in OPS.......so if he can't hit AA pitching....no one in that league can. Expand Yeah just checked his stats again and hes doing better than I thought, still strikes out nearly half of his atbats though. There could be something there if a team thinks they can at least fix that. Hopefully thats the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 also I love Escobar, great dude...guy would not be an all-star if he wasn't on the diamondbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 The problem with Micker is that a team has to have him on the major league roster opening day 2022, or they potentially lose him to waivers to send him down. Even with his power numbers, he is still striking out 40% of the time. That will keep his trade value pretty low. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 2:52 PM, southsider2k5 said: The problem with Micker is that a team has to have him on the major league roster opening day 2022, or they potentially lose him to waivers to send him down. Even with his power numbers, he is still striking out 40% of the time. That will keep his trade value pretty low. Expand A rebuilding club absolutely could give him a shot. The power is legit, and even modest hit tool improvement could lead to him being a viable corner OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 2:54 PM, steveno89 said: A rebuilding club absolutely could give him a shot. The power is legit, and even modest hit tool improvement could lead to him being a viable corner OF. Expand If he is striking out 40% of the time at AA, the whole work knows what would happen if you stuck him on a major league roster that soon. He has HUGE power, but he also has a HUGE hole in his bat, that will get much worse at the highest level. I am going to guess he's struggle to hit .200 and would strike out 50+% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 2:26 PM, ChiSox59 said: Adolfo should be plenty for Arizona. They might prefer someone else, but they aren't getting anything exciting for 8-9 weeks of Escobar. Edit: if the rumored deal of Luke Schilling for Escobar was accurate (prior to injury), that gives you an idea of the type of return Escobar would requite. Expand Wasn't it decided it was Foster or Fry? A reliever with some MLB success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 3:00 PM, ptatc said: Wasn't it decided it was Foster or Fry? A reliever with some MLB success. Expand I thought Jimmy insinuated it was Luke Schilling but perhaps I misread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Whatever the price is for Escobar, it isn't going to be much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 3:03 PM, Dick Allen said: Whatever the price is for Escobar, it isn't going to be much. Expand If that's true, then why isn't it done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 3:01 PM, ChiSox59 said: I thought Jimmy insinuated it was Luke Schilling but perhaps I misread. Expand I read that too. However I thought some other news came out later. I can't find it now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 3:07 PM, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: If that's true, then why isn't it done? Expand Because the Diamondbacks don't really have urgency to trade him weeks in advance of deadline. They could be waiting for better offers/opportunities on other teams to possibly have an injury at 2B or 3B. Kinda dumb not to wait if the best offer isn't much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 3:07 PM, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: If that's true, then why isn't it done? Expand Injuries to both Esobar and then the player that AZ was supposed to get for EE is the rumor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 I'm convinced we can't trade Burger and Sheets. Their stories are too perfect for a World Series winning team. We're one "Nick Madrigal is rehabbing faster than expected" away from having plot armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 3:28 PM, Quin said: I'm convinced we can't trade Burger and Sheets. Their stories are too perfect for a World Series winning team. We're one "Nick Madrigal is rehabbing faster than expected" away from having plot armor. Expand Sheets/Burger have both outperformed expectations since getting called up. I'm not sure where either will get consistent at bats once Jimenez/Robert come back, but it is a good problem to have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 3:28 PM, Quin said: I'm convinced we can't trade Burger and Sheets. Their stories are too perfect for a World Series winning team. We're one "Nick Madrigal is rehabbing faster than expected" away from having plot armor. Expand I don't think there is enough time for Madrigal to heal and rehab for him to return this season. That would be really fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 4:02 PM, ptatc said: I don't think there is enough time for Madrigal to heal and rehab for him to return this season. That would be really fast. Expand I don't think the poster was suggesting it was possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 4:04 PM, manbearpuig said: I don't think the poster was suggesting it was possible. Expand Yeah, @ptatc this one was in jest. If Madrigal returns this team is actually made of magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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