GT 7/6: SOX @ MIN, 7:10

[Ozzie’s Cuban Cigar]

I don’t care how old Tony is…dude wants to win.

[hankchifan]

Just now, caulfield12 said:

1.000

 

Yes, thanks for clarifying my bad math. I did mean 1.000 or 100% that Goodwin does not make that catch.

[Middle Buffalo]

9 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Yeah he only has 35 innings and he needs at least 100 to be ready to start next year. 

They’ll start giving him multiple innings soon. 

[joejoesox]

4 minutes ago, Ozzie’s Cuban Cigar said:

Except for Dwayne Wise!

if you're going on xBA alone, the Billy Hamilton catch is much more impressive imo

[chw42]

Just now, joesaiditstrue said:

if you're going on xBA alone, the Billy Hamilton catch is much more impressive imo

Well I don't think xBA was a thing when Wise made his catch. This one just seems more difficult given the conditions. Wise's catch was obviously under much higher leverage given the perfect game on the line. 

[Ozzie’s Cuban Cigar]

Just now, joesaiditstrue said:

if you're going on xBA alone, the Billy Hamilton catch is much more impressive imo

I’m sure your correct but I was referring to what Hawk would’ve said.  Wise’s catch was at a more critical moment 

[hankchifan]

7 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said:

The Sox need to give up on shoving as many lefty bats as possible into the lineup vs RHP and start Engel or Hamilton in CF every day.

TLR is obsessive about having lefties facing righties regardless. Old school.

[Buehrle>Wood]

14 minutes ago, Moncada said:

Hamilton haters just got **** slapped ? 

Anyone actually hate him anymore? He's one of the biggest fan favorites on the team.

[elrockinMT]

30 minutes ago, EloyRedGloveSWAG said:

Calm down bro. You need to relax. 

That senile old man as you called LaRussa had probably forgotten more about the game of baseball than we will ever know 

[Vulture]

8 minutes ago, hankchifan said:

TLR is obsessive about having lefties facing righties regardless. Old school.

Even older school is putting the best nine players on the field come hell or high water

[southsider2k5]

Just now, elrockinMT said:

That senile old man as you called LaRussa had probably forgotten more about the game of baseball than we will ever know 

To be fair, he seems to have forgotten a lot.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

10 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

Anyone actually hate him anymore? He's one of the biggest fan favorites on the team.

Soxtalk hates everyone

[Vulture]

7 minutes ago, elrockinMT said:

 LaRussa had probably forgotten more about the game of baseball than we will ever know 

So you agree he’s senile then? I’d prefer to pretend coginitive decline among elderly alcoholics showing actual apparent signs of decline doesn’t exist and that in fact the human mind remains sharp as a tack until the day we die. It will be helpful in maintaining this delusion if we all call it bigotry instead. I hope the board will comply with my humble request and deviants promptly excoriated. Thank you very much

Edited July 7, 2021 by Vulture

[wegner]

28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Can’t believe Goodwin actually caught that one.

If you take into account their relative defensive abilities, one could argue that the last out by Goodwin was a better catch than Billy's ?

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

24 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said:

The Sox need to give up on shoving as many lefty bats as possible into the lineup vs RHP and start Engel or Hamilton in CF every day.

Depends on the RHP. Can't just make a blanket statement like that. Berrios has great stuff but LH hit him about .100 batting average points better than RH . His stuff was just very good tonight. Would you rather have a .200BA  up there against him or a .300BA  ?

[Blackout Friday]

Hawk just woke his sons, woke his daughters. Times like that I miss the guy. Credit to the Twins announcers for giving Billy credit 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

36 minutes ago, hankchifan said:

Yes, thanks for clarifying my bad math. I did mean 1.000 or 100% that Goodwin does not make that catch.

Pretty much no one does except elite Cfers.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

32 minutes ago, hankchifan said:

TLR is obsessive about having lefties facing righties regardless. Old school.

And conversely opposing managers usually make pitching changes based on the guys coming up to bat handedness .Plus before the rule change about facing 3 hitters it was often done that way for 1 or 2 hitters. All of this is nothing new to baseball by both sides. There is nothing old school about it. Acting like it's some TLR flaw is very strange.

[Vulture]

19 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Pretty much no one does except elite Cfers.

 Considering he was running through a bog, I think even an elite CF rarely makes that play

[Vulture]

14 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

And conversely opposing managers usually make pitching changes based on the guys coming up to bat handedness .Plus before the rule change about facing 3 hitters it was often done that way for 1 or 2 hitters. All of this is nothing new to baseball by both sides. There is nothing old school about it. Acting like it's some TLR flaw is very strange.

There are actually managers out there aware of the fact there is such a thing as reverse splits. Acting like it’s not a flaw is pure denial

[pcq]

1 hour ago, Moncada said:

Hamilton haters just got **** slapped ? 

Billy brought a whole new game to the Sox and TA helped. Billy deserves a spot on the playoff squad. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

30 minutes ago, Vulture said:

There are actually managers out there aware of the fact there is such a thing as reverse splits. Acting like it’s not a flaw is pure denial

ANd if you can give me some stats where managers used reverse splits to their advantage  or when TLR could've used reverse splits but didnt have at it, but its rare that pitchers or hitters have reverse splits throughout theirs careers. I spoke about how it happens in most instances. Saying that  there are times when there are reverse splits where a RHB may PH or start against a RHP isn't worth discussing. You probably would have a hard time finding some type of article discussing it unless it's talking about All STar type players having good stats against lefties and righties. Like Eloy seems to hit both well but that's how you normally treat good players

When you are talking about starting or PH one bench player over another with reverse splits it's  pretty meaningless. Can you find me one bench player on the Sox or fringe level pitcher who is better against same handed handed players ? Goodwin, Lamb, Eaton are lefty and better against righties. Vaughn , Engel, Abreu, Robert, Madrigal Anderson all better against LHP. Switch hitters most of them also have a strong side.

It's not a flaw because it rarely makes a difference. In fact I challenge you to find one article where a manager intentionally batted a RHB over a LHB because of reverse splits and it worked, or choose a LHB over a RHB against a LHP who isn't normally in the starting lineup.

Edited July 7, 2021 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[ChiSox59]

2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Look either he did or didn't cost the Sox the game. Pick one. If you are talking about the triple , you are nuts. That ball was in the air 3 seconds and was a laser. You're talking like you're angry because he isn't Buxton and sometimes you know balls get by Buxton too because he isn't superman either. Balls like that do find gaps even with the best CF's around.

Lol. Relax dude. Goodwin sucks balls at the OF. The eyes say it. The stats say it. Not sure why that seemingly offends you. 

[Vulture]

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

ANd if you can give me some stats where managers used reverse splits to their advantage  or when TLR could've used reverse splits but didnt have at it, but its rare that pitchers or hitters have reverse splits throughout theirs careers. I spoke about how it happens in most instances. Saying that  there are times when there are reverse splits where a RHB may PH or start against a RHP isn't worth discussing. You probably would have a hard time finding some type of article discussing it unless it's talking about All STar type players having good stats against lefties and righties. Like Eloy seems to hit both well but that's how you normally treat good players

When you are talking about starting or PH one bench player over another with reverse splits it's  pretty meaningless. Can you find me one bench player on the Sox or fringe level pitcher who is better against same handed handed players ? Goodwin, Lamb, Eaton are lefty and better against righties. Vaughn , Engel, Abreu, Robert, Madrigal Anderson all better against LHP. Switch hitters most of them also have a strong side.

It's not a flaw because it rarely makes a difference. In fact I challenge you to find one article where a manager intentionally batted a RHB over a LHB because of reverse splits and it worked, or choose a LHB over a RHB against a LHP who isn't normally in the starting lineup.

That’s an awful long post to explain why something is not worth discussing. I challenge you to come up with an even longer post about how it’s not worth discussing why its not worth discussing.. No word gobbledygook to fill up space though. I need a series of cogent and concise statements supporting the argument. If you choose to fulfill this task I will accept your challenge and provide said statistical analysis of this unworthy topic.

[hi8is]

4 hours ago, SleepyWhiteSox said:

Soxtalk hates everyone

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