The Kids Can Play Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 13 hours ago, ron883 said: The team has been decimated by injuries, but is absolutely crushing the division. "Tony's guys" like Leury and Hamilton would get shit on left and right for being played too often. Now they are fan favorites and are integral to the team. No matter who goes down, the team steps up and finds a way to win. Maybe it's time to give TLR his due? Going further, there are plenty of people here that have said some very mean things about TLR. Very nasty things. Many people owe him an apology, including myself. I'm sorry Tony. Ricky renteria wouldn't be carrying this team like TLR has. The team and is simply united. It looks like a storybook season tbh. A big No. I have been a consistent critic here saying that the Sox will win this year in despite of TLR and not because of him. This is based on a super talented team and we play in weak division. The fact we still are winning as we bring up minor leaguers to replace all the injuries, is more to the credit of Hahn that he deserves for building this club at the major league level, as well as the minor league level. Btw, TRL still makes dumb decisions. Pitching Hendricks the other day for 2 innings and 6 outs for a close was not wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 8, 2021 Author Share Posted July 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said: A big No. I have been a consistent critic here saying that the Sox will win this year in despite of TLR and not because of him. This is based on a super talented team and we play in weak division. The fact we still are winning as we bring up minor leaguers to replace all the injuries, is more to the credit of Hahn that he deserves for building this club at the major league level, as well as the minor league level. Btw, TRL still makes dumb decisions. Pitching Hendricks the other day for 2 innings and 6 outs for a close was not wise. This is why we got Hendriks. He is a workhorse and can go multiple innings if needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 its too early for any back slapping or apologies or circle jerks we haven't done anything yet its halfway through the season. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrittBurnsFan Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, ron883 said: This is why we got Hendriks. He is a workhorse and can go multiple innings if needed. The way the 6 out stint played out it seems OK and it also seemed like for whatever reason they were trying to find a spot to get him more than an inning? Maybe way off base but it felt like the staff wanted Hendriks to throw a bit more than usual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capital G Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 I was fine with the hiring but had other preferences. With that said you cannot take away that we are in first with so many injuries. People that hated the hire did bc: -He is old and outdated. We're winning sooo.... -DUI/He'll be drunk during games. We're winning. -He wont get along with TA bc he is racist. Have not seen any such issue. -Yermin. Please, if you really think Yermin got exposed bc of TLR's comments about that HR I want some of what you are smoking. My only issue with him is his unwillingness to get into ump's faces and back-up his players in certain situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, ron883 said: This is why we got Hendriks. He is a workhorse and can go multiple innings if needed. Not true at all. He was brought here as a 9th inning/3 outs closer/workhorse. When you use him for 2 innings at a time, at some point you could burn him out and not be able to use him as often. By pitching one inning in that game, he might have been able to come out the next day for a one inning close, if that game was closer and not 6-1. Look at how the Cubs almost choked away their 2016 World Series. Madden was overusing Chapman trying to use him for multiple innings and his fastball kept dropping. The Yankees never used Chapman for more than a 9th inning close. Why didn't TLR have Kopech go for 2 innings? I though the Sox were trying to get Kopech stronger for those future starts occasionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWokeUpLikeThis Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Kopech was returning from a leg injury on a slippery field. Hendricks hadn't pitched in 5 days and 2-3-4 was due for the 8th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 In retrospect I will grant that Mercedes did not achieve yet the status to expect more careful respect and a defense from his own manager. But wrong is wrong so no apology there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 8, 2021 Author Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said: Not true at all. He was brought here as a 9th inning/3 outs closer/workhorse. When you use him for 2 innings at a time, at some point you could burn him out and not be able to use him as often. By pitching one inning in that game, he might have been able to come out the next day for a one inning close, if that game was closer and not 6-1. Look at how the Cubs almost choked away their 2016 World Series. Madden was overusing Chapman trying to use him for multiple innings and his fastball kept dropping. The Yankees never used Chapman for more than a 9th inning close. Why didn't TLR have Kopech go for 2 innings? I though the Sox were trying to get Kopech stronger for those future starts occasionally. Maybe they should hire you to oversee the bullpen and manage Kopech's innings. Sounds like you are a baseball savant who has it all figured out. Edited July 8, 2021 by ron883 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 47 minutes ago, ron883 said: This is why we got Hendriks. He is a workhorse and can go multiple innings if needed. If anything, him going to Hendriks in the 8th against the middle of their order was one of his best tactical decisions of the year. We've probably blown almost 10 leads in the 8th this year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 no 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Ron go ahead and start an online petition to recognize TLR and share it and we will see if we can get enough signatures to officially give him his due. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 8, 2021 Author Share Posted July 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: no Step up and eat some crow ray ray. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, ron883 said: Step up and eat some crow ray ray. answered your question; with even more enthusiasm than the lower case lettering insinuated! no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 He’s fine. The stupid shit he did was still stupid but he deserves some credit for holding things together. but even still, I’ll always give that credit to the players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 16 hours ago, ron883 said: The team has been decimated by injuries, but is absolutely crushing the division. "Tony's guys" like Leury and Hamilton would get shit on left and right for being played too often. Now they are fan favorites and are integral to the team. No matter who goes down, the team steps up and finds a way to win. Maybe it's time to give TLR his due? Going further, there are plenty of people here that have said some very mean things about TLR. Very nasty things. Many people owe him an apology, including myself. I'm sorry Tony. Ricky renteria wouldn't be carrying this team like TLR has. The team and is simply united. It looks like a storybook season tbh. Apologize for what? He’s got a team that is pretty much one he could run on autopilot compared to what his predecessor had. I give more credit to the players stepping up than I do La Russa managing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, chw42 said: If anything, him going to Hendriks in the 8th against the middle of their order was one of his best tactical decisions of the year. We've probably blown almost 10 leads in the 8th this year. one thing about TLR is that he defies stereotypes. he's def willing to use more "sabermetric" or "new school" managing at times and then...there's the bunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 I was told I was in denial because I couldn't recognize that TLR not using reverse splits was a big flaw of his. I didn't realize pinch hitting a LH hitter against a LHP could win so many games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, The Beast said: Apologize for what? He’s got a team that is pretty much one he could run on autopilot compared to what his predecessor had. I give more credit to the players stepping up than I do La Russa managing. autopilot? you can't be serious. the plane has lost its left engine, the vertical stabilizer is hanging on by a thread and the gear is stuck up. If TLR manages to land this thing he is a master aviator. Edited July 8, 2021 by chitownsportsfan 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I was told I was in denial because I couldn't recognize that TLR not using reverse splits was a big flaw of his. I didn't realize pinch hitting a LH hitter against a LHP could win so many games. HOF baseball person bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 There's one more thing to consider that I don't think has been mentioned here. Since it was JR's idea to hire TLR does that make him more committed to winning it all this year to prove he is smarter than everyone else ? Or will he just be the same guy he has always been and thinks TLR makes such a big difference that he can win the World Series without adding significantly at the Trade Deadline ? We shall see in a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 15 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: There's one more thing to consider that I don't think has been mentioned here. Since it was JR's idea to hire TLR does that make him more committed to winning it all this year to prove he is smarter than everyone else ? Or will he just be the same guy he has always been and thinks TLR makes such a big difference that he can win the World Series without adding significantly at the Trade Deadline ? We shall see in a few weeks. Being willing to punt several millions of Eaton money would be signs of that more than anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, mqr said: Being willing to punt several millions of Eaton money would be signs of that more than anything They were committed to paying that salary anyway. It wasn't an addition. I'm talking about spending more in prospect capital and added salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 If you are willing to blame him for loses, you have to credit him for wins. I'm no fan...but this team is playing tough through adversity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 3 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said: Not true at all. He was brought here as a 9th inning/3 outs closer/workhorse. When you use him for 2 innings at a time, at some point you could burn him out and not be able to use him as often. By pitching one inning in that game, he might have been able to come out the next day for a one inning close, if that game was closer and not 6-1. Look at how the Cubs almost choked away their 2016 World Series. Madden was overusing Chapman trying to use him for multiple innings and his fastball kept dropping. The Yankees never used Chapman for more than a 9th inning close. Why didn't TLR have Kopech go for 2 innings? I though the Sox were trying to get Kopech stronger for those future starts occasionally. The main beef on this board with TLR's use of Hendriks (and my beef) has been that he hasn't gone to Hendriks often *enough*, or early enough, particularly given his multiple-inning use with the As and his own statements that he likes regular usage to stay fresh. People have criticized TLR for using him in the old-school "closer's" role you describe rather than in high-leverage situations and as long as necessary to ensure wins. Now he gets used for two innings once and somebody jumps on that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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