wegner Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, poppysox said: I would like RH to inquire about what it would take to get Craig Kimbrel from the Cubs. I'm probably in the minority but I dont like or trust Kimbrel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, wegner said: I'm probably in the minority but I dont like or trust Kimbrel. Especially as set up man. Liam signed the big contract...he isnt losing the 9th. Kimbrel in the 8th isnt happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 I switched over to the Euro soccer as soon as the game ended. Did anybody watch the postgame show? Would like to know if they interviewed Engel, and if so, where is the video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, wegner said: I'm probably in the minority but I dont like or trust Kimbrel. Ruiz in the 10th after Hendricks spit the bit just doesn't do it for me. We need another late innings arm. Who is available...better than Kimbrel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, poppysox said: Ruiz in the 10th after Hendricks spit the bit just doesn't do it for me. We need another late innings arm. Who is available...better than Kimbrel? When Bummer and Marshall come back, Fry and Ruiz will be gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, EloyRedGloveSWAG said: Gotta love the first multi-HR game for Vaughn and a clutch bomb in extras from Engel. They would of lost the game if Adam didn't come through there. He's looking real sharp at the plate since coming back from injury. Might be a breakthrough year for him. Winning is easier when guys in the lineup are hitting home runs. Exactly. Vaughn is maturing as a hitter and so is Engel as odd as that sounds for a 29 year old. Slowly but surely he has figured out what works best for him. Just need another guy in the lineup every day who consistently hits HR's from the left side and some BP pieces. I'll take a 3 run bomb over just about any other hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, poppysox said: Ruiz in the 10th after Hendricks spit the bit just doesn't do it for me. We need another late innings arm. Who is available...better than Kimbrel? I agree the bullpen needs help but I agree with EloyJenkins above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, NWINFan said: I never expected Engel show power like this. You're right. This could be a breakthrough for him. Nearing the trading deadline, this team doesn't need outfielders. It needs at least one decent arm in the bullpen. I would prefer two, but that is asking too much. It's not asking too much at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Exactly. Vaughn is maturing as a hitter and so is Engel as odd as that sounds for a 29 year old. Slowly but surely he has figured out what works best for him. Just need another guy in the lineup every day who consistently hits HR's from the left side and some BP pieces. I'll take a 3 run bomb over just about any other hit. The ghost of Earl Weaver agrees 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, poppysox said: Ruiz in the 10th after Hendricks spit the bit just doesn't do it for me. We need another late innings arm. Who is available...better than Kimbrel? If the Nationals are selling, I'd prefer Hudson to answer your question Poppy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 38 minutes ago, michelangelosmonkey said: Over the last 200 at bats for Engel...2021, 2020 and Sept/Oct 2019...he's slashing .278/.319/.500...10 doubles and 11 homers. Plus great speed and gold glove defense....why do we need a right fielder again? Because he gets hurt all the time and has a limited track record against RHP. We can’t let hot steaks cloud our judgement when it comes to upgrades. Engel is a great 4th OF, but we’d be taking a big leap of faith if we made him our everyday RF IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 I applaud everyone who was able to stay positive with all of the injuries. Get healthy, and go get 'em in October. Go Sox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, wegner said: If the Nationals are selling, I'd prefer Hudson to answer your question Poppy. Plenty of relievers out there who are going to be traded who are better than our bottom 3 or 4 guys but you know the Sox aren't going to trade for more than 2 relievers and maybe they just go with one. Just like before the season many were stoked about our young group of relievers in a short season But as is often the case relief pitchers and young pitchers are an unpredictable lot. There's really no way to know if a reliever who had good stats in the 1st half will continue to put up good stats in the 2nd half. When the Sox do trade for relief pitching I'd like to see them go after guys who have pitched in the tougher divisions in baseball and put up decent stats facing good teams. That shouldn't be too hard to figure out if the Sox put their analytics team to good use. Edited July 11, 2021 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Because he gets hurt all the time and has a limited track record against RHP. We can’t let hot steaks cloud our judgement when it comes to upgrades. Engel is a great 4th OF, but we’d be taking a big leap of faith if we made him our everyday RF IMO. You go with a starting OF of Vaughn, Robert and Engel, with Goodwin getting spot starts vs RHP in place of either corner guy. If Frazier is available for a reasonable price, you get him and he can fill that role plus play 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: You go with a starting OF of Vaughn, Robert and Engel, with Goodwin getting spot starts vs RHP in place of either corner guy. If Frazier is available for a reasonable price, you get him and he can fill that role plus play 2B. What do you do with Frazier after 2021? With Madrigal coming back next year I don't see any pace for Frazier on the team. Edited July 11, 2021 by WBWSF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 49 minutes ago, poppysox said: I would like RH to inquire about what it would take to get Craig Kimbrel from the Cubs. Stop. Just stop. It is a waste of time, it is a waste of bandwidth, it is mental masturbation to squander a billisecond dreaming of this org having enough trade ammo to go get anything more than a rental. It is FURTHER mental masturbation to squander a billisecond thinking about this ownership putting as much cash as it would take to pay BOTH Hendriks and Kimberly. Once again, just stop. K? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michelangelosmonkey Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Stop. Just stop. It is a waste of time, it is a waste of bandwidth, it is mental masturbation to squander a billisecond dreaming of this org having enough trade ammo to go get anything more than a rental. It is FURTHER mental masturbation to squander a billisecond thinking about this ownership putting as much cash as it would take to pay BOTH Hendriks and Kimberly. Once again, just stop. K? And hiring TLR was "moronic". Thanks again for your wisdom. (note WS top five payroll in 00's, 90's and 80's when the team was competitive ) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michelangelosmonkey Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 21 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Because he gets hurt all the time and has a limited track record against RHP. We can’t let hot steaks cloud our judgement when it comes to upgrades. Engel is a great 4th OF, but we’d be taking a big leap of faith if we made him our everyday RF IMO. 200 consecutive at bats (now 12 home runs btw) over three seasons...at what point is it no longer a fluke? Everything's a leap of faith...2018 NL MVP (and 2nd in 2019) is probably available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 11, 2021 Author Share Posted July 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Stop. Just stop. It is a waste of time, it is a waste of bandwidth, it is mental masturbation to squander a billisecond dreaming of this org having enough trade ammo to go get anything more than a rental. It is FURTHER mental masturbation to squander a billisecond thinking about this ownership putting as much cash as it would take to pay BOTH Hendriks and Kimberly. Once again, just stop. K? May as go all the way if you're dreaming. (Values from Baseball Trade Values): Cubs send: Contreras (34.3) + Bryant (15.1) + Kimbrel (2.6) + Hendriks (-4.9) = 47.1 White Sox send: Cease (38.2) & Sheets (6.0) = 44.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Stop. Just stop. It is a waste of time, it is a waste of bandwidth, it is mental masturbation to squander a billisecond dreaming of this org having enough trade ammo to go get anything more than a rental. It is FURTHER mental masturbation to squander a billisecond thinking about this ownership putting as much cash as it would take to pay BOTH Hendriks and Kimberly. Once again, just stop. K? Now I’m intrigued…You’re usually a pretty good contra-indicator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, poppysox said: I would like RH to inquire about what it would take to get Craig Kimbrel from the Cubs. My guess is Bernstein would be looking for Giolito plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Does Kopech have 6Ks in a row? Anyway, he’s already a high leverage closer guarantee. Pretty pretty pretty yyy good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 hours ago, wegner said: If the Nationals are selling, I'd prefer Hudson to answer your question Poppy. I don't remember ever seeing him pitch...but I agree his stats look good. Just don't watch much NL baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, JTB said: My guess is Bernstein would be looking for Giolito plus. I think we will find that the Cubs are more rational than many here think. Salary relief is big on their wish list. Of course, absolutely every contender can use more pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black jack Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2020 and the first half of 20212 has made the last ten years worth it. Let's get healthy and see what happens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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