steveno89 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Far smaller sample size, too soon to draw conclusions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Glad to see Zavala doing well, but the sample size is so small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCredeYes Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 32 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: Glad to see Zavala doing well, but the sample size is so small. Was really impressed with how he managed Kopech through his two innings with minimal damage last night, might be able to deal with the zero hitting ability if he can manage the staff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 I like Zavala's catching better than either Collins or Grandal. Hard to live with zero offensive ability but it doesn't bother me a great deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Hopefully Yaz is back in a couple weeks. 4-5 week timeline originally, and TLR said yesterday he's ahead of schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Lucroy was assigned to AAA Braves affiliate today. He can reject and get FA status, which I assume he will if the Sox checked in. I assume he is the catcher starting Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: Lucroy was assigned to AAA Braves affiliate today. He can reject and get FA status, which I assume he will if the Sox checked in. I assume he is the catcher starting Saturday. The Sox could have just claimed him, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, manbearpuig said: The Sox could have just claimed him, no? Correct, which means they did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, manbearpuig said: The Sox could have just claimed him, no? Yeah, would require a DFA tho. Could theoretically sign him now as an milb deal and a trade or two over the next few days creates a roster spot without the DFA. But yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Correct, which means they did not. Right which is why I'm not sure that they would sign him. Unless as chisox59 said, they signed him to a minor league deal and then just called him up in a couple days when needed to not have to make an immediate roster move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just now, manbearpuig said: Right which is why I'm not sure that they would sign him. Unless as chisox59 said, they signed him to a minor league deal and then just called him up in a couple days when needed to not have to make an immediate roster move. Typically the reason you wouldn't claim a guy is if you don't want to pay his original contract, but in a case like this, I can't imagine he is making enough that it would have mattered. I get the feeling by not claiming him, the Sox are happier with what they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Yeah, would require a DFA tho. Could theoretically sign him now as an milb deal and a trade or two over the next few days creates a roster spot without the DFA. But yes. yeah, that is what I was thinking as well. Also, probably were looking at trade upgrades over this time as well and thinking about managing the future 40 man. I don't think Lucroy is a big addition, but it just makes sense if they want any type of bat in that spot. Edited July 22, 2021 by EloyJenkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just now, southsider2k5 said: Typically the reason you wouldn't claim a guy is if you don't want to pay his original contract, but in a case like this, I can't imagine he is making enough that it would have mattered. I get the feeling by not claiming him, the Sox are happier with what they have. Yeah I assumed he was making pennies but I could be wrong. The 40-man is also at 39 (if I remember and counted correctly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just now, EloyJenkins said: yeah, that is what I was thinking as well. Also, probably were looking at trade upgrades over this time as well. I don't think Lucroy is a big addition, but it just makes sense if they want any type of bat in that spot. I would take Lucroy 100/100 times over Zavala. He also has familiarity with the staff. 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Typically the reason you wouldn't claim a guy is if you don't want to pay his original contract, but in a case like this, I can't imagine he is making enough that it would have mattered. I get the feeling by not claiming him, the Sox are happier with what they have. For sure. Not saying Sox are going to bring in Lucroy, but why DFA a guy and risk losing him if you can just sign Lucroy to an milb deal a couple days later. With the trade deadline so close, there will be some 40 man movement and spots will open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 I see his salary is $1m. Who is on the hook? Is it the Nats, the team he started with this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, manbearpuig said: Yeah I assumed he was making pennies but I could be wrong. The 40-man is also at 39 (if I remember and counted correctly). Ahhh if the 40 man is at 39, that theory is out the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I would take Lucroy 100/100 times over Zavala. He also has familiarity with the staff. For sure. Not saying Sox are going to bring in Lucroy, but why DFA a guy and risk losing him if you can just sign Lucroy to an milb deal a couple days later. With the trade deadline so close, there will be some 40 man movement and spots will open. FWIW, 40 man is at 39 (I believe). Edit: just saw your responded. I'm pretty sure no one was added to the 40 since the Eaton dfa. Edited July 22, 2021 by manbearpuig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Lucroy has been in 8 organizations the last 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 I don't get the hate for Zavala. He's a fine backup catcher. He a strong defensive catcher and the pitchers like throwing to him. That's what backup catchers are. Just because the now starter sucks eggs doesn't mean Zavala has to be something more than he is. I'd be all for him being the permanent backup but that's not likely to happen. The FO has been much better at admitting their mistakes but I don't think they're ready to admit this one just yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I don't get the hate for Zavala. He's a fine backup catcher. He a strong defensive catcher and the pitchers like throwing to him. That's what backup catchers are. Just because the now starter sucks eggs doesn't mean Zavala has to be something more than he is. I'd be all for him being the permanent backup but that's not likely to happen. The FO has been much better at admitting their mistakes but I don't think they're ready to admit this one just yet. A .528 OPS is probably ok from a defense-first, 3rd catcher, where you survive with that guy for a couple weeks. I don't feel like anyone has a handle on Grandal's situation, even though LaRussa said he's "ahead of schedule" we also are aware that Grandal has been banged up all year and they've been a little vague about his timetable. In a short version...you can't go into October with Collins and Zavala as your 2 catchers if there is anything you could do to avoid it. Could easily cost us a series. So we're going to talk about it for the next 8 days until we see "Grandal starts rehab assignment", or whenever there is a guy who might be available (Lucroy), it's worth pondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raBBit Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 37 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Lucroy has been in 8 organizations the last 4 years. Probably not a coincidence. Someone was saying Lucroy is a dick and butted heads with the Sox. I forget who said it though. 23 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I don't get the hate for Zavala. He's a fine backup catcher. He a strong defensive catcher and the pitchers like throwing to him. That's what backup catchers are. Just because the now starter sucks eggs doesn't mean Zavala has to be something more than he is. I'd be all for him being the permanent backup but that's not likely to happen. The FO has been much better at admitting their mistakes but I don't think they're ready to admit this one just yet. I don't disagree with a lot of this but Zavala is atrocious at the plate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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