Balta1701 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 48 minutes ago, oldsox said: No way they include Kopech in trade. I hope. I would certainly hope that Kopech is slotted for Rodon's rotation spot next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Lillian said: You know me. That RF spot needs to be filled by a LH bat. Acquire Gallo for the next year and 1/2. Then, hope either Colas, Rutherford or some other player can fill that spot. I have never liked the idea of Cespedes filling that hole in RF. He's yet one more RH bat, to go along with T. A., Eloy, Abreu, Robert, Vaughn and Madrigal. I would gladly give up Yoelkis and a couple of other lesser prospects, for Gallo. Who knows, maybe they could extend him, after next season. Gallo is only 27, so he could become one of the core pieces, for the rest of this window of contention. Rutherford probably won’t be in the organization after this season as his performance doesn’t warrant a 40 man spot IMO. Colas isn’t even a part or the organization. I’d 100% deal Cespedes for Gallo regardless, but that’s not going to be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Crochet + Burger + something less substantial. I don't think that it would take that much, but if so, I would not be in favor of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lillian said: I don't think that it would take that much, but if so, I would not be in favor of it. If I were Texas, I would not insist on a big second piece if Crochet were moved and would accept lower level pieces, but I would not move him without Crochet as a key piece. Your call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Just now, Lillian said: I don't think that it would take that much, but if so, I would not be in favor of it. Gallo is on pace for a 6+ win season and he’s still very young, meaning the Rangers can extent & build around him. The Rangers are going to need at least one top 100 prospect plus other stuff at a minimum. Unfortunately for us Crochet is the only guy that fits the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If I were Texas, I would not insist on a big second piece if Crochet were moved and would accept lower level pieces, but I would not move him without Crochet as a key piece. Your call. That would be a tough call. I'm not sure I'd do that. If the Sox view Crochet as a future piece of the starting rotation, I don't think I would. If Texas wouldn't accept some hitting prospects and an arm like Steiver or Lambert, I'd pass. There is always free agency, after next season. They might be able to just sign him then. I'd rather that they settled for Escobar, which shouldn't cost much, as a rental, and let the guys they have handle RF, for the rest of this year. Edited July 18, 2021 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeaseAndExist Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Gallo is on pace for a 6+ win season and he’s still very young, meaning the Rangers can extent & build around him. The Rangers are going to need at least one top 100 prospect plus other stuff at a minimum. Unfortunately for us Crochet is the only guy that fits the bill. No that's fortunate because dealing Crochet for a RF just fills one hole to create another. I'm glad we aren't dealing Kopech or Crochet, especially for 1.3 years of an OF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Lillian said: That would be a tough call. I'm not sure I'd do that. If the Sox view Crochet as a future piece of the starting rotation, I don't think I would. If Texas wouldn't accept some hitting prospects and an arm like Steiver or Lambert, I'd pass. There is always free agency, after next season. They might be able to just sign him then. I'd rather that they settled for Escobar, which shouldn't cost much, as a rental, and let the guys they have handle RF, for the rest of this year. Texas should not do that. If they can’t get a Crochet and a couple talented A ball players, they should just extend him or wait for a better offer. Teams make dumb moves so I can’t say they won’t, but giving up Gallo without a MLB ready centerpiece would be a dumb move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Or Texas can wait too long like they did with Lance Lynn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, CeaseAndExist said: No that's fortunate because dealing Crochet for a RF just fills one hole to create another. I'm glad we aren't dealing Kopech or Crochet, especially for 1.3 years of an OF My point is that unfortunately for us either we deal a key piece of our bullpen or we likely can’t get him. I’m not suggesting we do or don’t that trade, just pointing out we don’t have any other top 100 prospects. Also, I wouldn’t deal Kopech for you pretty much anything and consider him a much more valuable asset than Crochet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Back on subject. Lynn gives some credit to TLR on extension 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 My only concern with Lynn is that now he has his big contract, will he let his body go? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, ron883 said: My only concern with Lynn is that now he has his big contract, will he let his body go? I heard that's what happened with Mr Creosote. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 44 minutes ago, ron883 said: My only concern with Lynn is that now he has his big contract, will he let his body go? Like it or not, this is a reasonable gamble on a short deal. Lynn’s motivation is being on a championship caliber team. That should be motivating enough for him to pitch with his hands clean. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 55 minutes ago, ron883 said: My only concern with Lynn is that now he has his big contract, will he let his body go? Fat pitchers generally pitch better fat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 37 minutes ago, SoxAce said: Fat pitchers generally pitch better fat. Terry Forster? Bartolo? Sid Fernandez? Sabathia? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYoIsMyHero Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 25 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Terry Forster? Bartolo? Sid Fernandez? Sabathia? Did SoxAce stutter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie’s Cuban Cigar Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Rutherford probably won’t be in the organization after this season as his performance doesn’t warrant a 40 man spot IMO. Colas isn’t even a part or the organization. I’d 100% deal Cespedes for Gallo regardless, but that’s not going to be enough. ….and Gallo turns into Adam Dunn part deux 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 4 hours ago, GreenSox said: Lock up a veteran for a couple years, and it’s time to trade away a good young player or two. That philosophy has about a 0% success rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Heads22 said: I wrote a piece before the season comparing Lance Lynn and Trevor Bauer. Here's the link. And here was the post. Quote Here are two stat lines using Baseball References averages over 162 games. 14 W - 10 L, 3.57 ERA, 196 IP, 73 BB, 194 K, 116 ERA+, 3.62 FIP, 2.67 K/BB ratio, 24.2 career WAR in 9 seasons 13 W - 11 L, 3.90 ERA, 202 IP, 77 BB, 217 K, 113 ERA+, 3.85 FIP, 2.82 K/BB ratio, 17.5 career WAR in 9 seasons. Which of these two stat lines would you rather have? Which one is Lance Lynn and which one is Trevor Bauer? ********** Lance Lynn has the first line. Now, he's older, and will turn 34 in May. Bauer will turn 30 in January. But he's also a whole lot cheaper. And if you think that Bauer is just going to repeat his Cy Young numbers on a full season when having to play outside the AL/NL Central, then look at Bauer's 2019 season, which was split between Cleveland and Cincy (with no DH): 11-13, 4.48 ERA, 213 innings, 83 BB, 253 K, 106 ERA+, 4.34 FIP, 3.09 K/BB ratio, 1.1 WAR. Here's Lance Lynn's 2019 season 16-11, 3.67 ERA, 208.1 innings, 59 BB, 256 Ks, 141 ERA+, 3.13 FIP, 4.17 K/BB ratio, 7.5 WAR. So, why is everyone clamoring for Bauer over Lynn? Younger, yes. Cheaper, no. Better pitcher, maybe. More reliable, no. The Sox have Lance Lynn for one year at $8M. They can probably extend him for another two years for Keuchel money, or less. If so, they would spend less for three years of Lynn than Bauer will likely get over the next two years, and may end up with the better pitcher. 2 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, VAfan said: I wrote a piece before the season comparing Lance Lynn and Trevor Bauer. Here's the link. And here was the post. You deserve a cookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Ozzie’s Cuban Cigar said: ….and Gallo turns into Adam Dunn part deux Dunn played a gold glove caliber RF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashman Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 10 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Gallo is on pace for a 6+ win season and he’s still very young, meaning the Rangers can extent & build around him. The Rangers are going to need at least one top 100 prospect plus other stuff at a minimum. Unfortunately for us Crochet is the only guy that fits the bill. I've already seen the Adam Dunn show, and I don't want to see it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, Cashman said: I've already seen the Adam Dunn show, and I don't want to see it again. Dunn played a gold glove caliber RF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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