Eminor3rd Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 32 minutes ago, Quin said: Yeah, the Staten Island Yankees were able to get away with Pizza Rats rebrand - everyone loved it and you can still get that gear. (except reportedly the Yankees, and that reportedly might be part of why they got dumped). Caulfield mentioned the Rocket City Trash Pandas. I'm debating getting a blue "Ballers" jersey because it looks super clean. My brother owns an "Iron Pugs" shirt because that was a great promo. No one cares about the Winston-Salem Dash or Fresno Grizzlies (but everyone loves the Fresno Tacos). So, not at all to argue, but just since I have firsthand knowledge — interestingly enough, it’s not true at all that everyone liked the Pizza Rats rebrand, haha. It IS true that the national audience loved it and that the gear was very popular and sold well everywhere. But locally, there was extremely passionate pushback from politicians, sponsors, and about half of the season ticket holders. The community felt like they were being represented as a meme joke. The borough president published an open letter in the newspaper begging for a different name when it “leaked” as the likely favorite. And yes, the Yankees hated it so much that they actually “didn’t approve” the change, which they could do as part of the affiliate agreement. Which is why the team never actually changed the name officially, it just made it into a weekend promotion, where they would don the gear every Friday and Saturday. The Yankees, of course, couldn’t be bothered to return any calls about their opinion of the name during the actual selection and design process, but that didn’t stop them from throwing ultimatums around after the money was already sunk. Staten Island reaped the benefits of the merch push and PR, but they paid a heavy price in loss of community support , actual loss of season ticket accounts, and a substantial strain to the Yankees relationship. It’s been suggested that it was the final straw when it came to the Yankees throwing them under the bus during the great MLB takeover/realignment, ultimately leading to the dissolution of the franchise, but I think that’s going too far. The real issue was ongoing and impossible facility issues given the state of the public lease and lack of city support. So anyway, it all just serves as an example of the risks associated with boldness with regard to rebrands, and the inevitability of never being able to please everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 I didn't know about those bridge statues, so I don't hate it as much as when I first heard about the new name. Honestly, I was prepared to hate it, whatever it was going to be. It'll take some getting used to, for sure. I wonder how long the broadcasters will struggle with it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: So, not at all to argue, but just since I have firsthand knowledge — interestingly enough, it’s not true at all that everyone liked the Pizza Rats rebrand, haha. It IS true that the national audience loved it and that the gear was very popular and sold well everywhere. But locally, there was extremely passionate pushback from politicians, sponsors, and about half of the season ticket holders. The community felt like they were being represented as a meme joke. The borough president published an open letter in the newspaper begging for a different name when it “leaked” as the likely favorite. And yes, the Yankees hated it so much that they actually “didn’t approve” the change, which they could do as part of the affiliate agreement. Which is why the team never actually changed the name officially, it just made it into a weekend promotion, where they would don the gear every Friday and Saturday. The Yankees, of course, couldn’t be bothered to return any calls about their opinion of the name during the actual selection and design process, but that didn’t stop them from throwing ultimatums around after the money was already sunk. Staten Island reaped the benefits of the merch push and PR, but they paid a heavy price in loss of community support , actual loss of season ticket accounts, and a substantial strain to the Yankees relationship. It’s been suggested that it was the final straw when it came to the Yankees throwing them under the bus during the great MLB takeover/realignment, ultimately leading to the dissolution of the franchise, but I think that’s going too far. The real issue was ongoing and impossible facility issues given the state of the public lease and lack of city support. So anyway, it all just serves as an example of the risks associated with boldness with regard to rebrands, and the inevitability of never being able to please everyone. I really should have clarified - when I meant everyone, I meant nationally and amongst people who weren't already SI Yankees stakeholders. I had a bunch of friends around (granted, I live in Brooklyn and work in Manhattan) that loved it and some bought merch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Coney Island Warriors would have been the King of All Team Names. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Quin said: Yeah, the Staten Island Yankees were able to get away with Pizza Rats rebrand - everyone loved it and you can still get that gear. (except reportedly the Yankees, and that reportedly might be part of why they got dumped). Caulfield mentioned the Rocket City Trash Pandas. I'm debating getting a blue "Ballers" jersey because it looks super clean. My brother owns an "Iron Pugs" shirt because that was a great promo. No one cares about the Winston-Salem Dash or Fresno Grizzlies (but everyone loves the Fresno Tacos). Lansing Lugnuts or Vegas 51's were my favorites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 commodores would have been a good name. But vandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 I’m indifferent about the name, but I can’t get over how bad the G logo is. It looks like a logo from a cheap baseball game or app that has made up team names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago White Sox Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Quin said: It's a reference to the Guardians of Traffic statues in Cleveland. Dropped the ball not being the Spiders, but Guardians isn't a bad name. https://photos.clevescene.com/10-things-you-should-know-about-the-guardians-of-traffic-statues-since-you-might-be-rooting-for-the-guardians-soon/?slide=1&press-bridgestonecutters_544d1a5741 Spiders should have definitely been the name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Balta1701 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Wait, Cleveland paid Tom Hanks to do their intro video? Well, when they have to trade Bieber, we know what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 every time michael baumann throws a tantrum about how organizations should be trying to win by signing some vet free agent that vet goes on to have an atrocious year worse than a AAAA call-up. Like when reporters like him were crying over adam jones when it was clear he'd be terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulfly Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 5 hours ago, JPR said: I’m in town visiting. Couldn’t believe all the cows on tinder and bumble. Yes west coast for sure has way more banging chicks I’m ten minutes from ASU and California girls are flooding our state driving up home prices. My home has gained $30,000 in value since March 8th according to Zillow. I used to not tell Chicago people how better the west is, even Utah or Idaho. You guys need to abandon ship and live a real life. 3 months of summer isn’t living life to the fullest. And guardians… Lol mine as well be the street sweepers with a wack name like that This is a cool story. Please tell us more. No wait, I lied. Don't. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caulfield12 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 7 hours ago, Tnetennba said: Also kind of looks like a cross between a roller derby helmet and one of the first designs discarded by the Mercury or Vikings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 The mistake by the lake made another goof. They will always be Indians to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Apparently The Guardians was merely the second worst thing that happened to the Cleveland Baseball Team on July 23rd. Still Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 8 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: Apparently The Guardians was merely the second worst thing that happened to the Cleveland Baseball Team on July 23rd. Still Cleveland. Man, obviously far more important issues to unpack here but…somebody should tell that “fan” the division race is over. Imagine spending all that crazy on the f’ing 2021 Cleveland Indians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 7/24/2021 at 10:15 AM, The Grinder said: The mistake by the lake made another goof. They will always be Indians to me Pfft, kids. It's the Cleveland Naps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 On 7/23/2021 at 2:43 PM, Eminor3rd said: So, not at all to argue, but just since I have firsthand knowledge — interestingly enough, it’s not true at all that everyone liked the Pizza Rats rebrand, haha. It IS true that the national audience loved it and that the gear was very popular and sold well everywhere. But locally, there was extremely passionate pushback from politicians, sponsors, and about half of the season ticket holders. The community felt like they were being represented as a meme joke. The borough president published an open letter in the newspaper begging for a different name when it “leaked” as the likely favorite. And yes, the Yankees hated it so much that they actually “didn’t approve” the change, which they could do as part of the affiliate agreement. Which is why the team never actually changed the name officially, it just made it into a weekend promotion, where they would don the gear every Friday and Saturday. The Yankees, of course, couldn’t be bothered to return any calls about their opinion of the name during the actual selection and design process, but that didn’t stop them from throwing ultimatums around after the money was already sunk. Staten Island reaped the benefits of the merch push and PR, but they paid a heavy price in loss of community support , actual loss of season ticket accounts, and a substantial strain to the Yankees relationship. It’s been suggested that it was the final straw when it came to the Yankees throwing them under the bus during the great MLB takeover/realignment, ultimately leading to the dissolution of the franchise, but I think that’s going too far. The real issue was ongoing and impossible facility issues given the state of the public lease and lack of city support. So anyway, it all just serves as an example of the risks associated with boldness with regard to rebrands, and the inevitability of never being able to please everyone. Unrelated to Guardians, but related to this post. The public is 100% going to vote for Pizza Rats again: https://www.silive.com/sports/2021/07/ownership-of-new-minor-league-baseball-franchise-wants-staten-islanders-help-choosing-team-name.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 33 minutes ago, Quin said: Unrelated to Guardians, but related to this post. The public is 100% going to vote for Pizza Rats again: https://www.silive.com/sports/2021/07/ownership-of-new-minor-league-baseball-franchise-wants-staten-islanders-help-choosing-team-name.html Haha, well they actually didn't the first time, but I definitely hope they do this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 So the new logo still says Indians. I didn't catch that. Clever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kyyle23 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Sounds like the rights squatters are asking for a nice big round sum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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