caulfield12 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Might as well star another venting thread. I suppose the one positive byproduct of his recent extended playing time…and watching Zavala attempt to hit at the big league level…is increased appreciation for Grandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgrittenburg Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 About the only thing this board hasn't blamed Collins for is the origins of covid and the rise in gas prices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 This is like shining a bat light for Batman for me. This guy is the one if not the worst defensive catcher in the league and the unfortunate thing is his pitch framing is worse. There's no coincidence when he pitches the missed pitches are in 70 percent of his games. His DRS is what -12? His defensive war is negative 6 as of a week ago. Be one thing if he was just DHing. But for some reason the front office thought he would be suitable as a backup knowing full well that Grandal is a shoe in to go on the DL at some point during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/catcher_framing?year=2021&team=&min=q&sort=4,1 If you need some reading material. Here's an excerpt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchatRisktoZisk Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 He drives me crazy behind the plate but he is what he is. He could be a platoon lefty at DH but we've already got about 5 DH's on the roster. He was barely serviceable in college or the minors. The Sox keep running him out there to justify the huge reach drafting him in the 1st round. It's too late now to change that, but in the off season he needs to get bundled with other assets and move on. Nice kid, tries hard, isn't an MLB catcher. Sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriendlyNorthsider Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 3 hours ago, PitchatRisktoZisk said: He drives me crazy behind the plate but he is what he is. He could be a platoon lefty at DH but we've already got about 5 DH's on the roster. He was barely serviceable in college or the minors. The Sox keep running him out there to justify the huge reach drafting him in the 1st round. It's too late now to change that, but in the off season he needs to get bundled with other assets and move on. Nice kid, tries hard, isn't an MLB catcher. Sorry. I looked back at that draft and the Dodgers killed it. They got Gavin Lux at 20, Will Smith at 32, Dustin May at 101, and Tony Gonsolin at 281. They have combined for 13 WAR already. The Sox going Collins at 10, Burdi at 26, with the only other big leaguers being Lambert, Foster, and Ian Hamilton is rough in that context. Going -1.3 war on a draft with two first rounders pretty rough. Certainly helps that other than the Fulmer and Hawkins misses, the rest of the first rounders in the past 10 years range from stars to contributors on the present team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 14 hours ago, PitchatRisktoZisk said: He drives me crazy behind the plate but he is what he is. He could be a platoon lefty at DH but we've already got about 5 DH's on the roster. He was barely serviceable in college or the minors. The Sox keep running him out there to justify the huge reach drafting him in the 1st round. It's too late now to change that, but in the off season he needs to get bundled with other assets and move on. Nice kid, tries hard, isn't an MLB catcher. Sorry. It's because of this organization I've loathed the DH. NL baseball is a much better game to watch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 15 hours ago, FriendlyNorthsider said: I looked back at that draft and the Dodgers killed it. They got Gavin Lux at 20, Will Smith at 32, Dustin May at 101, and Tony Gonsolin at 281. They have combined for 13 WAR already. The Sox going Collins at 10, Burdi at 26, with the only other big leaguers being Lambert, Foster, and Ian Hamilton is rough in that context. Going -1.3 war on a draft with two first rounders pretty rough. Certainly helps that other than the Fulmer and Hawkins misses, the rest of the first rounders in the past 10 years range from stars to contributors on the present team. 2015 - 2017, bad drafting stretch in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Backup C is a big offseason priority, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raBBit Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 15 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: Backup C is a big offseason priority, right? I feel like the Sox finally trade Collins to Milwaukee/Oakland/Tampa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, raBBit said: I feel like the Sox finally trade Collins to Milwaukee/Oakland/Tampa. as in this week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, EloyJenkins said: as in this week? Not sure how the Sox could trade Collins right now. He’s been pretty bad but until Yaz is back and can prove he can catch 5x a week, trading Collins would be an interesting move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raBBit Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: as in this week? No I meant in the offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: as in this week? I think he means off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Just now, raBBit said: No I meant in the offseason. Yeah. Carlos Perez could probably be the backup next season. He turns 25 in September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 28 minutes ago, raBBit said: No I meant in the offseason. okay. got my heart racing for a second. Definitely fine with that and hope they can find a righty that could be controllable in case Yaz has anymore injury issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) Zack Collins for Jonah Heim ( Switch hitter good framing stats) of the Rangers. Worse hitting and OBP . 70 OPS+ to Collins 98. Jose Trevino another good framer ( this year) on the Rangers was just activated and they DFA'd John Hicks who was hitting well in a SSS but must be a terrible catcher . Last time I could find framing stats on Hicks it was 28 (2019)while Collins is at a 0. Higher is better but 28 isn't great either. Edited July 26, 2021 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 18 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: Backup C is a big offseason priority, right? It wasn't last season. I still think they should have kept McCann because he did well on this team. But you eventually had to see what you have in Collins. Maybe he will get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: It wasn't last season. I still think they should have kept McCann because he did well on this team. But you eventually had to see what you have in Collins. Maybe he will get better. You can’t pay McCann $40m to be the backup. It was never a realistic option. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 They could have resigned McCann for less than $40M and he wouldn't have been a backup. It would have been a time share which everyone can clearly see is needed with Grandal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They could have resigned McCann for less than $40M and he wouldn't have been a backup. It would have been a time share which everyone can clearly see is needed with Grandal. And then our bullpen is even worse with no Hendriks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They could have resigned McCann for less than $40M and he wouldn't have been a backup. It would have been a time share which everyone can clearly see is needed with Grandal. Yah, that Grandal guy really sucks! I know I sure wish we could sit our elite offensive catcher (wRC+ 135 in 2021) and play McCann and his wRC+ of 97 more! Grandal is one of the best 2-3 catchers in the game. It sucks ball he got hurt, but this team doesn't need James McCann. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogosox1959 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 McCann wanted to be a #1 -- deservedly so. The Sox signing him was not how much money the Sox would pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champagne030 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: Yah, that Grandal guy really sucks! I know I sure wish we could sit our elite offensive catcher (wRC+ 135 in 2021) and play McCann and his wRC+ of 97 more! Grandal is one of the best 2-3 catchers in the game. It sucks ball he got hurt, but this team doesn't need James McCann. I'm not pining for McCann, but Grandal has been a huge disappointment. Maybe I'm too old and stuck in the mud, but a .188 average with 17 total XBH on the season and brutal defense doesn't equate to some made up stat that says he's elite. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Just now, champagne030 said: I'm not pining for McCann, but Grandal has been a huge disappointment. Maybe I'm too old and stuck in the mud, but a .188 average with 17 total XBH on the season and brutal defense doesn't equate to some made up stat that says he's elite. Judging by that last statement then yes yes you are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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