Adam Frazier to Padres

[caulfield12]

14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Semi related

 

They’re not going to trade Hosmer, just like they didn’t trade Wil Myers when he put up MVP numbers for much of last season.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Of qualified players, Hosmer is the 3rd worst player in baseball and you're on here continually arguing that he won't be replaced lol.

Ladies and gentleman: Caulfield.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

They’re not going to trade Hosmer, just like they didn’t trade Wil Myers when he put up MVP numbers for much of last season.

 

The ONLY reason they wouldn't trade Hosmer is because absolutely no one wants to take him and his awful contract.

[caulfield12]

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Of qualified players, Hosmer is the 3rd worst player in baseball and you're on here continually arguing that he won't be replaced lol.

Once again, give me a number how many games he will be benched for over the remainder of the season if you’re so confident?

 

Preller would have to subsidize 50-60% of his salary, and that’s just not going to happen.

 

[Quin]

Some smartass is going to come in here and say "Elijah Tatis for Hosmer" and I'm just gonna go ahead and cut that off now.

[Bob Sacamano]

5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Once again, give me a number how many games he will be benched for over the remainder of the season if you’re so confident?

 

Preller would have to subsidize 50-60% of his salary, and that’s just not going to happen.

 

Why wouldn't they bench him as often as possible if he sucks? Already a sunk cost anyway.

[caulfield12]

21 minutes ago, manbearpuig said:

Ladies and gentleman: Caulfield.

Because Fangraphs fWAR statistics determines everything in life.

You forgot to mention how difficult it is to have a super high fWAR at 1B.

For example, Mancini and Abreu are 8th and 9th at 1B in all of MLB at the position but only have 1.7 fWARs.

Wow, that’s really not that impressive, a difference of just 2.1.

 

Lo and behold, Jose Abreu is just 70th out of 137, barely an average qualified player.   

Ron was actually right?
 

Edited July 26, 2021 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

6 minutes ago, manbearpuig said:

Why wouldn't they bench him as often as possible if he sucks? Already a sunk cost anyway.

The same reason they didn’t with Myers, and the same reason JR and KW and Hahn kept sending Danks out there.

Hoping for a rebound to previous career norms.

Simple as that.

If the Padres cut Tommy Pham 6 weeks into the season, or the Rangers with Gallo…they would be looking like complete idiots, right?

Not to mention how will sitting a player you might be showcasing for a trade help to increase his value in any way, shape or form?

 

It’s also the same reason we’re not benching Keuchel, for example.

[GermanSoxFan]

Edited July 26, 2021 by GermanSoxFan

[Kyyle23]

Did you all consider that maybe Hosmer Is actually the -best- player in the league?   Did you?

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

The same reason they didn’t with Myers, and the same reason JR and KW and Hahn kept sending Danks out there.

Hoping for a rebound to previous career norms.

Simple as that.

If the Padres cut Tommy Pham 6 weeks into the season, or the Rangers with Gallo…they would be looking like complete idiots, right?

Not to mention how will sitting a player you might be showcasing for a trade help to increase his value in any way, shape or form?

 

It’s also the same reason we’re not benching Keuchel, for example.

LOL Keuchel is nothing like Hosmer.

What career norm, guy?

Hosmer has been worth .1 fWAR over his last 291 games. Only Miguel Cabrera has been worth less than Hosmer since 2019 (with over 200 games played). He is awful and has been awful. He's not "rebounding" to anything.

Gallo and Pham are nothing like Hosmer. Keuchel is near a league average player pace. Your comparisons are complete nonsense.

[maloney.adam]

5 minutes ago, GermanSoxFan said:

 

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[Kyyle23]

26 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

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[Cerbaho-WG]

39 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Because Fangraphs fWAR statistics determines everything in life.

You forgot to mention how difficult it is to have a super high fWAR at 1B.

For example, Mancini and Abreu are 8th and 9th at 1B in all of MLB at the position but only have 1.7 fWARs.

Wow, that’s really not that impressive, a difference of just 2.1.

 

Lo and behold, Jose Abreu is just 70th out of 137, barely an average qualified player.   

Ron was actually right?
 

I've always found fWAR bizarre for 1B, but you can still try and get Hosmer's value by looking at 1) his relative WAR performance or 2) ignoring defensive metrics and focusing on something like wRC+ or wOBA. In both scenarios Hosmer is really, really bad. Given his contract he's arguably one of the worst players in all of baseball.

[BFirebird]

52 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Because Fangraphs fWAR statistics determines everything in life.

You forgot to mention how difficult it is to have a super high fWAR at 1B.

For example, Mancini and Abreu are 8th and 9th at 1B in all of MLB at the position but only have 1.7 fWARs.

Wow, that’s really not that impressive, a difference of just 2.1.

 

Lo and behold, Jose Abreu is just 70th out of 137, barely an average qualified player.   

Ron was actually right?
 

Any metric you want puts Hosmer as just an awful signing and current player.

Since you compared to Abreu (Hosmer is 3 years younger than Jose) so I will compare Hosmer to Abreu at the same age in wRC+.

With the Padres (age 28-31):

wRC+

95

91

127

96 

One above average year (and he only played 38 games).

 

Abreu with the White Sox (age 28-31):

wRC+

131

121

139

114

 

And that doesn't even include the 60 game MVP season for Abreu of wRC+ of 166.  Hosmer is bad and there isn't a metric that says otherwise.

[Dominikk85]

An Interesting thing about the trade is also that Marcano and suwinsky are rule 5 eligible next winter so it Really was needed to get rid of them for the Padres as they likely won't be up next year. 

For the pirates it will be some work to keep them on the roster next year but since they are not competing next year they can afford to do it 

[Chicago White Sox]

3 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said:

An Interesting thing about the trade is also that Marcano and suwinsky are rule 5 eligible next winter so it Really was needed to get rid of them for the Padres as they likely won't be up next year. 

For the pirates it will be some work to keep them on the roster next year but since they are not competing next year they can afford to do it 

Marcano was/is already on the major league roster.

[Dominikk85]

21 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Marcano was/is already on the major league roster.

Yes but he jumped straight from A to AAA and then to the majors, we don't really know if he is mlb ready 

[kitekrazy]

22 hours ago, Romeo_Santiago81 said:

Damn Frazier was perfect fit for White Sox, Hahn slept on this one

The media claims that is not the case.

[kitekrazy]

22 hours ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

I know reinforcements are coming and we are still in 1st…BUT Hahn sitting on his hands is going to be a huge mistake.  Not even in a panicky way because of resent games, sheerly because this team has about as good of a shot as anyone to win a World Series. 
 

If the price is relatively low it’s gonna hurt a little. Obviously there are other fish in the sea tho, so not overreacting too much yet. 

I'm seeing a more young inexperience team that is at least a year away.  I'd say that shot is quite long.

[Chick Mercedes]

23 hours ago, Baron said:

Tucupita is a top 10 guy. The rest is meh

A quick first impression of his description is that he is a bit like a Rodriguez level talent but more of a utility man. Then again I was barely familiar with Rodriguez other than a few brief google  searches recently 

Edited July 26, 2021 by Chick Mercedes

[caulfield12]

26 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

A quick first impression of his description is that he is a bit like a Rodriguez level talent but more of a utility man. Then again I was barely familiar with Rodriguez other than a few brief google  searches recently 

Sean Rodriguez?  The Pirates’ reliever?  

[Chick Mercedes]

1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

Sean Rodriguez?  The Pirates’ reliever?  

Jose. In that he is an infielder supposed to have a lot of skills but not necessarily elite skills.

[caulfield12]

RayRay was so bold to come out and criticize the Hosmer contract, yet after after three opportunities…wouldn’t even commit to agreeing Hosmer would be benched 10 or more games.   

He did somehow claim to be the source of a rumor at MLBTradeRumors…yet there was another article out there from a somewhat more credible source speculating Hosmer was going to be traded.

Interesting stuff.

In the end, the Padres are going to go out and get at least one starting pitcher and at least one reliever.

And Hosmer will neither be traded nor benched.

[caulfield12]

9 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Jose. In that he is an infielder supposed to have a lot of skills but not necessarily elite skills.

He’s actually closer to Madrigal with questionable ability to play SS everyday but a lot more positional versatility and pop…but mostly XB hitter as currently projected.   Also a more refined player than Jose on the defensive side (hard to compare because completely different stages of development).  To me, he’s a taller Luis Urias, who was traded for Grisham…

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/pirates/
You can read the more comprehensive write up here if you click on his name.  Placed as #7 prospect with Pirates, who have a deeper system but not nearly the top end talent.

 

Ironically, he will eventually take bats away from Newman, who used to be a pretty highly touted middle infielder.  But sometimes these under the radar types really take off.