Adam Frazier to Padres

[Chicago White Sox]

9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

RayRay was so bold to come out and criticize the Hosmer contract, yet after after three opportunities…wouldn’t even commit to agreeing Hosmer would be benched 10 or more games.   

He did somehow claim to be the source of a rumor at MLBTradeRumors…yet there was another article out there from a somewhat more credible source speculating Hosmer was going to be traded.

Interesting stuff.

In the end, the Padres are going to go out and get at least one starting pitcher and at least one reliever.

And Hosmer will neither be traded nor benched.

I don’t get what you’re arguing at this point.  Hosmer sucks balls and the Padres are likely looking to trade prospects away in hopes of some teams absorbing a sizable portion of his albatross contract.  Is this all because he was a former Royal?

[2Deep]

Why we arguing about the fucking Padres......who gives a fuck.

Lol

[caulfield12]

50 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I don’t get what you’re arguing at this point.  Hosmer sucks balls and the Padres are likely looking to trade prospects away in hopes of some teams absorbing a sizable portion of his albatross contract.  Is this all because he was a former Royal?

The argument was that Frazier was acquired specifically to bench (and later trade) Hosmer.

Which was simply based on Hosmer’s fWAR.

Which we spent the last year or so arguing that there were other intangibles (mostly Madrigal threads) that couldn’t accurately be measured.

Then an article came out about a possible Hosmer trade/salary dump…which everyone pretty much laughed off.

So I’m thinking that the forest has been lost for the trees, because they’re going to mix and match that lineup every game to fit Frazier, Pham, Myers, Hosmer and Profar/Kim into the best possible match-ups for four lineup slots on a pitcher by pitcher basis…but mot specifically just bench one player in Hosmer based on his fWAR.

That’s it.

One will be right, one will be wrong.

Edited July 27, 2021 by caulfield12

[Bob Sacamano]

53 minutes ago, 2Deep said:

Why we arguing about the fucking Padres......who gives a fuck.

Lol

Caulfield gonna Caulfied

[Bob Sacamano]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

RayRay was so bold to come out and criticize the Hosmer contract, yet after after three opportunities…wouldn’t even commit to agreeing Hosmer would be benched 10 or more games.   

He did somehow claim to be the source of a rumor at MLBTradeRumors…yet there was another article out there from a somewhat more credible source speculating Hosmer was going to be traded.

Interesting stuff.

In the end, the Padres are going to go out and get at least one starting pitcher and at least one reliever.

And Hosmer will neither be traded nor benched.

Cool. Now go post on Padrestalk.com.

[caulfield12]

7 minutes ago, manbearpuig said:

Cool. Now go post on Padrestalk.com.

Well, Stone just said he was going to the outfield and Benetti wondered how/why they would replace Cronenworth at second.

Apparently it’s now a crime to be knowledgeable about other teams in baseball.  We could talk about the Twins, Tigers, Indians and Royals, I watch a lot of their games, too.  It’s called MLB.tv.  Heaven forbid the extent of trade analysis here is that Frazier is replacing Hosmer, because….fWAR trumps all.

Why do you have Puig in your name?  Shouldn’t you be on the Mexican League discussion board?

[Dominikk85]

I like the second deal the pirates for that relief pitcher. Castillo is a low K guy (13% this year) and had a big power jump (11hr already after usually only like 1-3) and hoy Park is a decent albeit not spectacular prospect too. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

RayRay was so bold to come out and criticize the Hosmer contract, yet after after three opportunities…wouldn’t even commit to agreeing Hosmer would be benched 10 or more games.   

He did somehow claim to be the source of a rumor at MLBTradeRumors…yet there was another article out there from a somewhat more credible source speculating Hosmer was going to be traded.

Interesting stuff.

In the end, the Padres are going to go out and get at least one starting pitcher and at least one reliever.

And Hosmer will neither be traded nor benched.

LOL oh my.

I did?

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

The argument was that Frazier was acquired specifically to bench (and later trade) Hosmer.

Which was simply based on Hosmer’s fWAR.

Which we spent the last year or so arguing that there were other intangibles (mostly Madrigal threads) that couldn’t accurately be measured.

Then an article came out about a possible Hosmer trade/salary dump…which everyone pretty much laughed off.

So I’m thinking that the forest has been lost for the trees, because they’re going to mix and match that lineup every game to fit Frazier, Pham, Myers, Hosmer and Profar/Kim into the best possible match-ups for four lineup slots on a pitcher by pitcher basis…but mot specifically just bench one player in Hosmer based on his fWAR.

That’s it.

One will be right, one will be wrong.

People laughed at it because no one would touch Hosmer's atrocious contract.

Intangibles that make the 3rd worst player in baseball since 2019 magically good. This thread is amazing.

Hosmer has been moved to a bench role and for some reason that makes Caufield upset because he has a Hosmer poster hanging on his ceiling that he looks at every night before bed.

[caulfield12]

11 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

People laughed at it because no one would touch Hosmer's atrocious contract.

Intangibles that make the 3rd worst player in baseball since 2019 magically good. This thread is amazing.

Hosmer has been moved to a bench role and for some reason that makes Caufield upset because he has a Hosmer poster hanging on his ceiling that he looks at every night before bed.

Way off again.

He might be traded to free up payroll space, but he’s not going to the bench.

 

The Padres, whose hunt for talent knows no positional bounds, could also pursue Scherzer, though the belief is they would only do so were they able to move money. For teams butting up against the $210 million luxury-tax threshold, he would cost a prorated portion of his $28.7 million tax number. San Diego has multiple options to shed money. The Padres have approached teams about dealing Eric Hosmer, who has four years and $59 million remaining on his deal after this season. He has a 10-team no-trade clause this year, and after the 2022 season, he would receive full no-trade protection as a player with 10 years in the major leagues and five with the same team, adding urgency to San Diego's desire to move him.

Whether San Diego finds a match depends on its willingness to attach a top prospect. General manager A.J. Preller has long coveted Gallo, the 27-year-old slugger who looks increasingly likely to move before the deadline. A deal with Hosmer going to Texas and Gallo to San Diego is a possibility, though it almost certainly would necessitate the inclusion of shortstop C.J. Abrams or outfielder Robert Hassell, considered in the industry as the Padres' two best prospects. Pitcher MacKenzie Gore also could be in play in a deal for Gallo, Scherzer or another player as San Diego looks to gain ground on the first-place San Francisco Giants and second-place Los Angeles Dodgers in the cutthroat National League West.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/31895818/mlb-trade-deadline-surprising-teams-go-all-new-names-watch-july-30-nears

 

[caulfield12]

11 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

People laughed at it because no one would touch Hosmer's atrocious contract.

Intangibles that make the 3rd worst player in baseball since 2019 magically good. This thread is amazing.

Hosmer has been moved to a bench role and for some reason that makes Caufield upset because he has a Hosmer poster hanging on his ceiling that he looks at every night before bed.

Way off again.

He might be traded to free up payroll space, but he’s not going to the bench.

 

The Padres, whose hunt for talent knows no positional bounds, could also pursue Scherzer, though the belief is they would only do so were they able to move money. For teams butting up against the $210 million luxury-tax threshold, he would cost a prorated portion of his $28.7 million tax number. San Diego has multiple options to shed money. The Padres have approached teams about dealing Eric Hosmer, who has four years and $59 million remaining on his deal after this season. He has a 10-team no-trade clause this year, and after the 2022 season, he would receive full no-trade protection as a player with 10 years in the major leagues and five with the same team, adding urgency to San Diego's desire to move him.

Whether San Diego finds a match depends on its willingness to attach a top prospect. General manager A.J. Preller has long coveted Gallo, the 27-year-old slugger who

[Bob Sacamano]

13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Way off again.

He might be traded to free up payroll space, but he’s not going to the bench.

 

The Padres, whose hunt for talent knows no positional bounds, could also pursue Scherzer, though the belief is they would only do so were they able to move money. For teams butting up against the $210 million luxury-tax threshold, he would cost a prorated portion of his $28.7 million tax number. San Diego has multiple options to shed money. The Padres have approached teams about dealing Eric Hosmer, who has four years and $59 million remaining on his deal after this season. He has a 10-team no-trade clause this year, and after the 2022 season, he would receive full no-trade protection as a player with 10 years in the major leagues and five with the same team, adding urgency to San Diego's desire to move him.

Whether San Diego finds a match depends on its willingness to attach a top prospect. General manager A.J. Preller has long coveted Gallo, the 27-year-old slugger who

I wouldn’t say “way off.” Guy sucks. No one wants that contract. They want to win. Why would they keep playing him?

I’m not exactly sure why you’re willing to die on this hill lol it’s kinda weird

[caulfield12]

9 minutes ago, manbearpuig said:

I wouldn’t say “way off.” Guy sucks. No one wants that contract. They want to win. Why would they keep playing him?

I’m not exactly sure why you’re willing to die on this hill lol it’s kinda weird

There’s no hill.

You guys have lost your minds if you think the best way to get someone off the books is to bench him.

There are two choices.

1) Play him until he comes out of it again…looking for the most favorable match-ups.

2) Trade him…include Gore, Weathers, Hassell, Abrams (unlikely, as he’s out for the year), Morejon (same), Campusano, etc., to get it done.

 

They had an opportunity to trade Wil Myers coming off last season and didn’t do it.  If they can actually get a Scherzer or Gallo or whoever, and dump at least $20-25 of Hosmer’s $59 million remaining, they’ll probably do it…but it’s going to be for a big name that really shakes up the NL West.

They also have Clevinger back next season, and who knows what’s going on with Lamet.

Edited July 27, 2021 by caulfield12

[Bob Sacamano]

12 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

There’s no hill.

You guys have lost your minds if you think the best way to get someone off the books is to bench him.

There are two choices.

1) Play him until he comes out of it again…looking for the most favorable match-ups.

2) Trade him…include Gore, Weathers, Hassell, Abrams (unlikely, as he’s out for the year), Morejon (same), Campusano, etc., to get it done.

 

They had an opportunity to trade Wil Myers coming off last season and didn’t do it.  If they can actually get a Scherzer or Gallo or whoever, and dump at least $20-25 of Hosmer’s $59 million remaining, they’ll probably do it…but it’s going to be for a big name that really shakes up the NL West.

They also have Clevinger back next season, and who knows what’s going on with Lamet.

This would qualify as benching, essentially becoming a backup player.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

56 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

There’s no hill.

You guys have lost your minds if you think the best way to get someone off the books is to bench him.

There are two choices.

1) Play him until he comes out of it again…looking for the most favorable match-ups.

2) Trade him…include Gore, Weathers, Hassell, Abrams (unlikely, as he’s out for the year), Morejon (same), Campusano, etc., to get it done.

 

They had an opportunity to trade Wil Myers coming off last season and didn’t do it.  If they can actually get a Scherzer or Gallo or whoever, and dump at least $20-25 of Hosmer’s $59 million remaining, they’ll probably do it…but it’s going to be for a big name that really shakes up the NL West.

They also have Clevinger back next season, and who knows what’s going on with Lamet.

Lol what don't you get. He's not coming out of anything, this is who he is. He's been a replacement level bum for over 300 games.

Hosmer being traded for a big name lolololol

And you said I was way off and then posted something that had nothing to do with what I said jajaja 

Hosmer has been relegated to a back up role in SD.

Edited July 27, 2021 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[iWiN4PreP]

Guys

I'm really happy we didn't end up with Adam Frazier.

He's not that good. Let's get something better.

 

 

[GermanSoxFan]

13 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

LOL oh my.

I did?

Let’s just say caulfield has a difficult time decoding tongue-in-cheek comments and sarcasm and I don’t even mean that in a disrespectful way.

[ShoeLessRob]

1 hour ago, iWiN4PreP said:

Guys

I'm really happy we didn't end up with Adam Frazier.

He's not that good. Let's get something better.

 

 

He’s leading the Majors in hits… 

[caulfield12]

7 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Lol what don't you get. He's not coming out of anything, this is who he is. He's been a replacement level bum for over 300 games.

Hosmer being traded for a big name lolololol

And you said I was way off and then posted something that had nothing to do with what I said jajaja 

Hosmer has been relegated to a back up role in SD.

Shocking news!!!!

Frazier is leading off and playing LF, Pham was moved over to RF, with Myers to the bench and Hosmer starting at first.

 

Wil Myers is going to earn $20 million in 2022 and $20 million if they pick up his option in 2023.  And Myers even has an 885 ops this month.

As to my earlier comment, if you read carefully, I wrote Hosmer and significant salary relief and/or top prospects for the likes of Gallo or Scherzer.  Not Hosmer straight up.   Geesh.  To be specific, that means $20-25 million out of $59 remaining 4 years for Hosmer and trading one of Gore, Hassell, Weathers, CJ Abrams or Campusano.  That gets you into a conversation with any team looking at a new 1B or needing a DH against RHP.

[caulfield12]

6 hours ago, ShoeLessRob said:

He’s leading the Majors in hits… 

And very balanced results vs. lefties and righties…

[Harold's Leg Lift]

8 hours ago, ShoeLessRob said:

He’s leading the Majors in hits… 

Meh.  Hits are overrated.  Where does he rank in walks?

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

Anyone know why we didn't get an update on the Padres lineup today from @caulfield12?

[caulfield12]

17 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Anyone know why we didn't get an update on the Padres lineup today from @caulfield12?

Gee, they also benched Trent Grisham for Profar against a lefty, lol. (And what did Profar do?) 

The same player, Trent Grisham, that FG equates as equal to Luis Robert in trade value.  Unless you want to argue he sucks, too?

Nice to have some depth.

 

As I said before, they will rotate six players across four spots in the order, with Machado, Tatis, Cronenworth and Frazier playing every day. Kim will get fewer and fewer at-bats. 

Edited July 29, 2021 by caulfield12

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

On 7/25/2021 at 7:37 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Frazier is playing everyday and croenworth is moving to 1st base. They didn't trade for Frazier for him to be a utility man.

 

On 7/25/2021 at 7:48 PM, caulfield12 said:

Well, that’s pretty ballsy to bench Eric Hosmer with his massive contract and playoff experience for someone who’s more or less a utility hitter and certainly not someone capable of hitting 25-35 homers at 1B.

LOL Pal, you said they would not bench Hosmer for "utility man" Jake Croenworth.

It's OK Caufield, when Hosmer has sat out half the games between now and years end, you can still cling to your Hosmer is a great perspective.

You now claiming you said they would always plays Frazier and Croenworth everyday is hilarious. Just look at the two quoted posts.

Edited July 29, 2021 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[caulfield12]

3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

 

LOL Pal, you said they would not bench Hosmer for "utility man" Jake Croenworth.

It's OK Caufield, when Hosmer has sat out half the games between now and years end, you can still cling to your Hosmer is a great perspective.

You now claiming you said they would always plays Frazier and Croenworth everyday is hilarious. Just look at the two quoted posts.

There was never a Hosmer is great perspective.

Where?  
 

So far you’re already 0/2, since he hasn’t sat out either game.

And you might be 30% right and 70% wrong because the only time Cronenworth will be at first will be against LHP.

Your position is that he would be benched everyday.

I said all along that Cronenworth would be in the starting lineup, pretty much everyday, SOMEWHERE.   Just like Frazier has been at second and left field, but your original argument was that Frazier was acquired to bench Hosmer 100% of the time.

 

We will see tomorrow what Tingler does against another LHP in Freeland.  Cronenworth, Hosmer and Profar will probably sit.  Then Hosmer will play against Gray (if not traded), Marquez and no idea about Gomber on Sunday.

Statistically, Hosmer should be hitting/starting 65-70% of the time, which is not being benched, it’s closer to a platoon.