iWiN4PreP Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Mariners get: Abraham Toro Joe Smith Astros get: Kendall Graveman Rafeal Montero Graveman the prize here, maybe the Mariners feel they have something with Toro? More control? Graveman IMO was the best RP get on the market for a reasonable cost. Too bad. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 SEA is already going to DFA Montero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Wow, they get that win last night and then they do this? Holy shit that FO is gonna get destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 Reports that the Mariner's Clubhouse is NOT happy with this. IDK, no one is talking about what they got. I know Toro is young and probably controlled. I've picked him up in a number of Dynasty leagues, so I have interest in him... but I don't think he's that special and I don't really know where they are going to play him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 minute ago, iWiN4PreP said: Reports that the Mariner's Clubhouse is NOT happy with this. IDK, no one is talking about what they got. I know Toro is young and probably controlled. I've picked him up in a number of Dynasty leagues, so I have interest in him... but I don't think he's that special and I don't really know where they are going to play him? Toro is nothing special, but then again Graveman is a rental. Still, this move is completely tone deaf by Dipoto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Probably scouted Toro when they played us. He killed us, but hasn’t done much against others. Clearly they are ready to move on from Seager, but to trade your closer for his replacement after he just beat your division rival with a homer?! Well, Mariners fans will not be pleased. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 GUYS, TREA TURNER IS PULLED! Maybe this move preludes a Trea Turner move?!?!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Shocked by dipoto honestly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, bmags said: Shocked by dipoto honestly That's been Dipoto's M.O. kind of a trade first, ask questions later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: GUYS, TREA TURNER IS PULLED! Maybe this move preludes a Trea Turner move?!?!?? Bro dont mess with us like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, oldsox said: That's been Dipoto's M.O. kind of a trade first, ask questions later. No way, he did it to win first and foremost. They are leading wild card 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 lol, a very mariners move. dipoto makes moves just to make moves and this is a puzzling one even for him. team is going nowhere fast even with their record they are still one of the worst offenses in MLB and they are doing it with smoke and mirrors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: SEA is already going to DFA Montero Was already*, a couple days ago. Edited July 28, 2021 by manbearpuig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Sell? Tf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quin Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox72 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Why does the title say “sell”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Sox72 said: Why does the title say “sell”? I guess the shock the M’s aren’t adding and he (Graveman) is/was one of the best relievers on the market… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 3 hours ago, iWiN4PreP said: GUYS, TREA TURNER IS PULLED! Maybe this move preludes a Trea Turner move?!?!?? Trea has covid. oof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Timmy U said: Probably scouted Toro when they played us. He killed us, but hasn’t done much against others. Clearly they are ready to move on from Seager, but to trade your closer for his replacement after he just beat your division rival with a homer?! Well, Mariners fans will not be pleased. I wanted Graveman but with the start the Mariners had after the All Star game I didn't think he'd be available. It's the kind of move that the players and fans never want to see but realistically what are the Mariners chances of winning the World Series or even making it to the ALCS with Graveman ? DiPoto saw the market for good relievers and he got a good young 3rd baseman with 4 years left before he reaches free agency. They did also get Tyler Anderson from the Pirates after the Phillies trade for him fell through. Guess we have to wait a few days to see what else the Mariners do. Edited July 28, 2021 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, maloney.adam said: They have been arguably the worst Big 4 North American sports franchise since their inception in the 70s. You just can't make this trade. It's similar to the White Sox' White Flag trade optically. Sounds like the clubhouse is shell shocked and the Mariners are getting ass whooped by the Stros tonight. They aren't a good team, they have a -49 differential and one of the worst offenses in MLB -- but you just can't make this trade. The long time critique of Dipoto is that he's basically just a tinkerer with no real vision. You can say what you want about how Hahn operates but you have to agree that when given the chance he was able to execute his vision for a contending WS roster over a 4-6 year time frame. What vision does Dipoto have other than sorta making these incremental moves season after season where the Mariners remain locked in a very White Sox esque 75-84 win pattern with no real chance via the farm to get over the hump to being an actual good team that can win 95 games and a WS? There's just no there there for the Ms. Edited July 28, 2021 by chitownsportsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 5 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: They have been arguably the worst Big 4 North American sports franchise since their inception in the 70s. You just can't make this trade. It's similar to the White Sox' White Flag trade optically. Sounds like the clubhouse is shell shocked and the Mariners are getting ass whooped by the Stros tonight. They aren't a good team, they have a -49 differential and one of the worst offenses in MLB -- but you just can't make this trade. The long time critique of Dipoto is that he's basically just a tinkerer with no real vision. You can say what you want about how Hahn operates but you have to agree that when given the chance he was able to execute his vision for a contending WS roster over a 4-6 year time frame. What vision does Dipoto have other than sorta making these incremental moves season after season where the Mariners remain locked in a very White Sox esque 75-84 win pattern with no real chance via the farm to get over the hump to being an actual good team that can win 95 games and a WS? There's just no there there for the Ms. I think this is overly harsh. I'm not going to hold it against dipoto that they were way more competitive than expected this year. He has made some great trades and them developing Crawford was really impressive. I don't know if they have enough, but this trade definitely helps. It's not like the bulk of their rebuild is up yet, it's still coming with Kelenic and Rodriguez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 37 minutes ago, bmags said: I think this is overly harsh. I'm not going to hold it against dipoto that they were way more competitive than expected this year. He has made some great trades and them developing Crawford was really impressive. I don't know if they have enough, but this trade definitely helps. It's not like the bulk of their rebuild is up yet, it's still coming with Kelenic and Rodriguez. Do they have enough pitching in the pipeline? Arguably, they'd be right there with Paxson this year, but the prospects mostly seem to be on the position player side. Such a surreal trade...players just going to opposite clubhouses, especially with the M's just having made a comeback from 7 runs down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I'm on Dipoto's side. You took on Graveman, he was hot, and you flipped him for a serviceable, young, controlled bat that never has really been given consistent at bats. They weren't, and still aren't winning that division. Sewald can step in and close right away. Seager has had some power this year, but very low BA. Toro can step in at 3rd base for years beyond this one and all they lost was what, 15-20 innings of Graveman? Also I wouldn't be shocked to see the Mariners go out and trade for a nice IF piece ala Turner or the likes. If not? I expect them to be very active in the offseason filling in via FA. That market is ready to spend and I think you'll see it ... 1b - Evan White, France 2b - moore/shed long SS - crawford 3b - Toro Cf - Kelenic Rf - kyle lewis Lf - julio rodriguez C - raleigh/torrens clearly they need some IF help. White is great defensively, so maybe you can live w him and hope his bat comes around. But moore/long/crawford probably don't get it done. seeing as there are a ton of SS as FA this offseason? I can see them nabbing one of them and then moving crawford to 2b. Then you have moore as a super sub. it's really not a bad team. it's a few veteran bats from being very, very good. pitching wise? They need help. gonzalez is #3. flexen is a serviceable #5. dunn is a #4 on a good team. he's got some nasty stuff. kinda a cease type guy in my mind. if he can harness it can be a front of rotation guy. kikuchi... gilbert .... nothing blows you away, but it's a solid team that is only a few guys away. trading graveman is a smart, calculated baseball move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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