Capn12 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Also, upon first check, Konnor Pilkington checked in at #47 on the Sox Prospect list, before the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: We'll just agree to disagree. I don't think this is a big defensive upgrade at all. Hernandez won the GG last year. Leury is barely average defensively at 2B. i think defensively it is a pretty big upgrade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The pop isn't sustainable either imo. If you wanted pop and a low obp should have gotten escobar. Because they didn’t like his medical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: That's literally nothing in the world of defensive metrics. One full season is volatile and tough to draw any conclusions from let alone 200 innings See here's the thing. You have zero evidence for him being a good defensive player. I have evidence for the contrary. You need to brush up with the fielding bible because 150 innings is about normal for them to start tracking whether it's accurate or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Because on a total package value basis this year they're similar players? One is on a 2.5 per 600 pace the other a 2.2 per 600 pace. In a sample of 70 games, we're talking about replacing just a guy with just another guy. Cesar has a 307 obp with a hr/fb rats 7% higher than his previous career high. And a BABIP like 100 points lower. You’re now also functionally replacing Danny Mendick with Leury Garcia which is also an improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Does he travel with Cleveland to Chicago...or do the Sox have to go pick him up. I guess I am asking if the Sox got free delivery in the deal?? 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, chw42 said: TLR is totally gonna hit him in the 2 spot isn't he? This can't happen.....But I'm fearful it might Hernandez batting 7-9 makes our lineup better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, fathom said: Because they didn’t like his medical! This is the key. Escobar was the original target by all accounts and he didn't pass the medicals. Hernandez is nearly a clone of a player as Escobar when you really look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said: But where will Madrigal play now? 2B. And Hernandez becomes Leury next year, if the Sox want to keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Solid pickup, the type I posted yesterday I thought Hahn would ultimately acquire. I’m just hoping Rain Man actually uses Hernandez, and also doesn’t feel the need to continue to play Leury every single day (2B, RF, CF, plus spelling Tim and Yoan) as the missing puzzle piece to his RLRLRLRL lineup obsession. Leury should be playing twice a week, at most, after this acquisition. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, wegner said: Does he travel with Cleveland to Chicago...or do the Sox have to go pick him up. I guess I am asking if the Sox got free delivery in the deal?? Cleveland is off today so they probably traveled last night. He may have to switch hotels, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 For those that think Hernandez's HR output isn't sustainable: he's upped his barrel rate by 6% this year over his career norms. That's also 3x higher than his career norms. Is he just running into the ball more? Possibly. But it also just looks like a change in his approach. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 My phone keeps jamming up with all these posts. Hahahaha ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, wegner said: Does he travel with Cleveland to Chicago...or do the Sox have to go pick him up. I guess I am asking if the Sox got free delivery in the deal?? They are amazon Prime members so next day delivery is free and guaranteed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, bighurt574 said: I don't see Pilkington on any top 30 lists (fangraphs, pipeline). I don't see the worry either. And this is a pretty thin and raw system. Sure he'd be a nice guy to have, but we have upper level pitching, and we also have a bigger need at 2B., 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxsi75 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, chw42 said: Watch Cleveland turn him into a useful starter. Truthfully? Who cares! The idea is to win, and to do so, when you have the chance to, which the Sox now do and should for years to come, you trade organizational depth/prospects for major league pieces to fill holes. I'm a Sox fan, not a Birmingham Barons fan. We don't get any special prize for hoarding prospects. You want to argue Hernandez isn't the right guy they should have gotten to help them win now, that I'll listen to, but giving up a AA pitcher to help you win now..... Edited July 29, 2021 by Soxsi75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Alright I have to run and get some whataburger. Hopefully nothing happens while I'm out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mqr said: And a BABIP like 100 points lower. You’re now also functionally replacing Danny Mendick with Leury Garcia which is also an improvement. Yeah, I mentioned it improves the back end of their roster; that is indisputable. But I want to win a World Series and I wanted a player that could make an impact. I wanted a sure thing upgrade that is an exciting piece. I didn't want a guy who could feasibly get outplayed by Garcia in a smaller sample. If we wanted a power-first low-OBP 2nd baseman they should have gotten Escobar. It's just a disaster we didn't get Escobar if this was our direction. Edited July 29, 2021 by Look at Ray Ray Run 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, Soxsi75 said: Truthfully? Who cares! The idea is to win, and to do so, when you have the chance to, which the Sox now do and should for years to come, you trade organizational depth/prospects for major league pieces to fill holes. I'm a Sox fan, not a Birmingham Barons fan. We don't get any special prize for hoarding prospects. I'm not mad at the return. I just think Cleveland is good at developing pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kyyle23 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, Baron said: Portillos was taking heat and he got all butthurt for the reliever trade not happening ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, southsider2k5 said: And this is a pretty thin and raw system. Sure he'd be a nice guy to have, but we have upper level pitching, and we also have a bigger need at 2B., Thinking Hernandez isn't that good is one thing, bemoaning letting go of Pilkington and acting like it was so much more than escobar is another thing entirely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Kyyle23 said: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ David Kaplan is not good source for info lol Plus that's the second time he's pulled that excuse. See his Trevor Story rumor. That was just pure BS. Edited July 29, 2021 by Baron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yeah, I mentioned it improves the back end of their roster; that is indisputable. But I want to win a World Series and I wanted a player that could make an impact. I wanted a sure thing upgrade that is an exciting piece. If we wanted a power-first low-OBP 2nd baseman they should have gotten Escobar. It's just a disaster we didn't get Escobar if this was our direction. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, DirtySox said: His home run numbers are because of the change in approach and barrel%. Good thing GRate is a better hitter's park than Cleveland. Statcast has him at 19 expected homers if he played all his games at GRate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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