winninguglyin83 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Dan Patrick had Peter Gammons on his ESPN radio show earlier this afternoon. He asked Gammons to predict who the new managers of the Orioles and White Sox would be Orioles? Eddie Murray. Sox? He said Buddy Bell and several others had been interviewed. Said he thought it would come down to Ozzie Guillen and Cito Gaston. Said as much as Reinsdorf loved Ozzie, in the end his lack of managing experience would hurt and he predicted the Sox would go with Gaston. I realized Gammons has whiffed on some past predictions. just passing this along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 He's whiffed on some predictions, yes, but he's also got a pipeline as to what's going on. I'm not totally excited about anyone who's out there, I think they all have some holes in their resume, but to me, the best idea still seems to be a very experienced guy like Gaston as manager and see if they can lure Guillen in as 3rd base coach. If not, see if they can hire Guillen as manager of one of the farm teams, maybe there will be an opening ... Birmingham?? As much as Guillen has learned from guys like Bobby Cox, McKeon, etc. there's no substitute for actually being "da man". I don't know if Guillen would leave a Marlins team for anything less than a big league managers job. But I doubt any team other than the White Sox would be considering him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 He's whiffed on some predictions, yes, but he's also got a pipeline as to what's going on. I'm not totally excited about anyone who's out there, I think they all have some holes in their resume, but to me, the best idea still seems to be a very experienced guy like Gaston as manager and see if they can lure Guillen in as 3rd base coach. If not, see if they can hire Guillen as manager of one of the farm teams, maybe there will be an opening ... Birmingham?? As much as Guillen has learned from guys like Bobby Cox, McKeon, etc. there's no substitute for actually being "da man". I don't know if Guillen would leave a Marlins team for anything less than a big league managers job. But I doubt any team other than the White Sox would be considering him. I have to agree. I definitely don't agree with just throwing Ozzie out there as manager with no experience. Even though I wouldn't be totally miffed if they did hire him, I don't think it's the best move. Of the names, Gaston has had the most success in terms of winning. However, he's been out of the game for a while and I cannot figure out why that is the case. I think the Gaston/Guillen combo if we could do it would be the best move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Even though I'm not a big fan of hiring Cito, one good thing is if the Sox hire him they won't be rebuilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 20, 2003 Author Share Posted October 20, 2003 excellent point, Dick Allen. Cito isn't coming here unless he is pretty sure Bartolo will be back, as well as Robbie and several other veterans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 excellent point, Dick Allen. Cito isn't coming here unless he is pretty sure Bartolo will be back, as well as Robbie and several other veterans. I guess he won't be coming then because I don't see Colon coming back. If we have indeed offered 3 years and 40 million and have gotten no response, I don't think he's coming back. I guess we'll see how much he really likes playing in Chicago. If he doesn't take that deal, apparently not very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjack29 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Last week the Sun-Times reported that Gaston's asking price was too high, so we're probably looking at someone like Ozzie or Francona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 excellent point, Dick Allen. Cito isn't coming here unless he is pretty sure Bartolo will be back, as well as Robbie and several other veterans. I guess he won't be coming then because I don't see Colon coming back. If we have indeed offered 3 years and 40 million and have gotten no response, I don't think he's coming back. I guess we'll see how much he really likes playing in Chicago. If he doesn't take that deal, apparently not very much. I really doubt the Sox offered 3 years and a guaranteed 40 million. Its probably more like 30 million guaranteed, and an additional 10 in incentives. He might have to win the Cy Young, 25 games, and the Sox draw 3 million to reach them, so who knows. I'm sure the Sox offer is decent, but he'll get more elsewhere. On the other hand, he may sign. There is no rush to sign right now, although if Bart got hurt slipping out of the buffet line in the next few weeks, it could cost him a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Last week the Sun-Times reported that Gaston's asking price was too high, so we're probably looking at someone like Ozzie or Francona. Sun-Times is usually never right though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Sun-Times is usually never right though. Neither is Gammons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Neither is Gammons You're definitely right about that. He's basically good for only hot air and that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Manager- Cito 3rd base coach- Ozzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Manager- Cito 3rd base coach- Ozzie I want that or I'll just settle with Ozzie as the manager. I know one thing, I don't want Buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Not that it means much, but Peter Gammons just said on Sportscenter that he thinks Cito is the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Sheesh, I'm going to not start believing anything I hear, and whoever we end up with, we end up with. Too many different things being said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Manager- Cito 3rd base coach- Ozzie I really doubt Cito would go for the Chairman's guy, the heir apparent, coaching 3rd base. I really doubt Ozzie will be coaching 3rd for the Sox no matter who they bring in. Unlike Chisoxfn, I wouldn't mind seeing Buddy Bell make out the line up. He is a no s*** guy. It would be nice to see players held accountable for their laziness, and mistakes. My first choice would be Backman, but with that story that came out last week, even if it isn't true, he'd never live that down, so its best the Sox and Wally part ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Manager- Cito 3rd base coach- Ozzie I really doubt Cito would go for the Chairman's guy, the heir apparent, coaching 3rd base. I really doubt Ozzie will be coaching 3rd for the Sox no matter who they bring in. Unlike Chisoxfn, I wouldn't mind seeing Buddy Bell make out the line up. He is a no s*** guy. It would be nice to see players held accountable for their laziness, and mistakes. My first choice would be Backman, but with that story that came out last week, even if it isn't true, he'd never live that down, so its best the Sox and Wally part ways. I think the big thing I dislike about Buddy is he's a retread manager thats never won anything. I know he never had talent, but I see some guys, like Garner who just went around a few times and seemed to always land a gig and never suceed. I'd prefer a new face like Yount/Guillen to Bell. I don't mind Gaston cause he's got the rings and that in itself commands respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I think the "leader" or "odds-on candidate" changes daily at this point. That is why it is called a hiring process. I don't think they really know who their best chi=oice is right now and as interviews occur, things can change daily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Manager- Cito 3rd base coach- Ozzie I really doubt Cito would go for the Chairman's guy, the heir apparent, coaching 3rd base. I really doubt Ozzie will be coaching 3rd for the Sox no matter who they bring in. Unlike Chisoxfn, I wouldn't mind seeing Buddy Bell make out the line up. He is a no s*** guy. It would be nice to see players held accountable for their laziness, and mistakes. My first choice would be Backman, but with that story that came out last week, even if it isn't true, he'd never live that down, so its best the Sox and Wally part ways. I think the big thing I dislike about Buddy is he's a retread manager thats never won anything. I know he never had talent, but I see some guys, like Garner who just went around a few times and seemed to always land a gig and never suceed. I'd prefer a new face like Yount/Guillen to Bell. I don't mind Gaston cause he's got the rings and that in itself commands respect. Joe Torre was a retread. Jack McKeon a retread. Bell just had horrible talent in Detroit. The talent was a little better, but not much in Colorado, and you really can't call what they play there baseball. Bell is highly respected around the league. Is it deserved, I don't know, but the White Sox were heartbroken when he left the organization in the mid 90's. The thing that concerns me about Cito is why he never got another managing job after Toronto. Those Blue Jay teams he had, were loaded with professionals, something that can't be said about our guys. Cito is laid back like JM, Buddy is a bit more disciplined. What it all comes down to for me is who would handle the pitching staff better. To me , thats the most important part of being a manager. Ozzie would be interesting. You know he would have a blow up with Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 21, 2003 Author Share Posted October 21, 2003 I agree about Cito. something strange there. With all the openings over the years, how come no other team has hired him? not many other guys have had multiple World Series winners. plus, he went back to Toronto as a coach. That seemed odd. I'd rather go with Ozzie. Or somebody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Jack McKeon a retread. Not to nitpick, but I don't think calling McKeon a retread is accurate. He did pretty well in Cincinnati and had success as the GM in San Diego. He was not a WS winner as a manager, so if that is your criteria then I guess you are right. But I think it is fair to say that Trader Jack has had a pretty damned good career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I think the "leader" or "odds-on candidate" changes daily at this point. That is why it is called a hiring process. I don't think they really know who their best chi=oice is right now and as interviews occur, things can change daily. I noticed. It is always changing. I am too lost to keep up to date on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Not to nitpick, but I don't think calling McKeon a retread is accurate. He did pretty well in Cincinnati and had success as the GM in San Diego. He was not a WS winner as a manager, so if that is your criteria then I guess you are right. But I think it is fair to say that Trader Jack has had a pretty damned good career. Had the Reds not been too cheap to pay McKeon what he's worth, he'd still be in Cincy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Not to nitpick, but I don't think calling McKeon a retread is accurate. He did pretty well in Cincinnati and had success as the GM in San Diego. He was not a WS winner as a manager, so if that is your criteria then I guess you are right. But I think it is fair to say that Trader Jack has had a pretty damned good career. He managed in KC, OAK, and SD before he got to Cincinatti. Had one decent season in KC, one in SD. If Buddy Bell is considered a retread, then Jack McKeon is indeed a retread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox2004 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Dan Patrick had Peter Gammons on his ESPN radio show earlier this afternoon. He asked Gammons to predict who the new managers of the Orioles and White Sox would be Orioles? Eddie Murray. Sox? He said Buddy Bell and several others had been interviewed. Said he thought it would come down to Ozzie Guillen and Cito Gaston. Said as much as Reinsdorf loved Ozzie, in the end his lack of managing experience would hurt and he predicted the Sox would go with Gaston. I realized Gammons has whiffed on some past predictions. just passing this along. Wow he really went out on the limb there, what an idiot. Why does espn pay this guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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