aboz56 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 In 10 games, Ryan Hankins is hitting .343 with 10 RBI. He's struck out 4 times in 35 at-bats, while drawing 5 walks. He's also got 3 HR, 3 doubles and is slugging .686. In 7 games, Aaron Miles is hitting .176 with 1 RBI. He's struck out 3 times in 27 at-bats, while drawing one walk. He also has 2 doubles. Neal Cotts has thrown 10.2 innings, with an era of 4.22 while allowing 9 hits and 5 earned runs. He's struck out seven and has only walked one. He's appeared in a total of three games. Gary Majewski has thrown 5.2 innings with an era of 11.22 while allowing 8 hits and 7 earned runs. He's struck out three and walked five. He's appeared in a total of four games. Mitch Wylie has thrown 9.1 innings with an era of 3.86 while allowing 8 hits and 4 earned runs. He's struck out six and walked four. He's appeared in a total of six games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 In 10 games, Ryan Hankins is hitting .343 with 10 RBI. He's struck out 4 times in 35 at-bats, while drawing 5 walks. He's also got 3 HR, 3 doubles and is slugging .686. In 7 games, Aaron Miles is hitting .176 with 1 RBI. He's struck out 3 times in 27 at-bats, while drawing one walk. He also has 2 doubles. Neal Cotts has thrown 10.2 innings, with an era of 4.22 while allowing 9 hits and 5 earned runs. He's struck out seven and has only walked one. He's appeared in a total of three games. Gary Majewski has thrown 5.2 innings with an era of 11.22 while allowing 8 hits and 7 earned runs. He's struck out three and walked five. He's appeared in a total of four games. Mitch Wylie has thrown 9.1 innings with an era of 3.86 while allowing 8 hits and 4 earned runs. He's struck out six and walked four. He's appeared in a total of six games. Hankins has really been swinging the bat well ever since he's been promoted to Charlotte. I hope he can keep it up. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 The main numbers I'm watching for Cottsy is the all-important K/BB ratio. I would love to see it at 3:1, hell, I'll even take 2:1 for starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Looks like Miles is struggling. I hope he picks it up because he was really good at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Miles will never be able to hold himself at the major league level because of his refusal to draw walks. Players like him need to do all the little things right and in Miles case he has a lot of trouble getting on base, other then with the hit. I know he's hit in AA, AAA but his avg isn't gonna be incredibly high in the majors and when you can't draw walks to get yourself on base, its gonna be tough to make it when the odds are already against you. Its really great seeing Hankins hit up a storm. I wonder how he's adjusting to catching. Also great to see Cotts control improving. He's pitching in a tough enviornment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Seems like Majewski is regressing bigtime right now...and I too don't believe that Miles will ever really be a MLB quality player, just one of those good stories you hear about in the Minor Leagues. Kinda like the one I always remember.... in 1992 the Greenville Braves, my local team, were in the Southern League Playoffs after completing a 100-43 season, best in AA in quite sometime, maybe ever. They had a pitcher named Mike Hostetler. Grady Little was the manager...YES, that Grady Little. Hostetler went out in the PLayoffs and threw a no-hitter that got the G-Braves to the Championship series. Earlier that year, a friend and I drove to Birmingham from Anderson,SC....why? to see the one and only Dan Pasqua who was on a rehab assignment there. After the game, we stopped to get gas and whos in there? Grady Little. He knew us from Greenville(I went to EVERY home game from 1992-1994). He asked us if we drove all the way down to see the baseball game, and saked if we were headed back. Unfortunately we had to go back. He asked us if we wanted to stay at the team hotel, they had some open rooms due to players that were hurt that didn't make the trip. Sorry if I rambled on, just rehashing some of the Minor League memories I have, and I have LOTS more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 That sounds like a pretty cool story. As far as Majewski goes, I loved what I saw of him in Charlotte and only heard great things about him. He's got a big league arm and a closers mindset. I say give him time, cause I think he will make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I think the deal with Majewski is they're trying to determine whether or not to put him on the 40-man. He got left off last year and got picked in the Rule 5. Ultimately didn't stick in the bigs out of spring training and the Sox grabbed him back, he's a Ken Williams favorite, KW likes his competitiveness. I saw KW at the ballpark and asked about Majewski, he said Gary's biggest issue is pitch to pitch focus. Getting knocked around in the fall league doesn't help his chances of being added to the 40 man. I'd like to see him get a shot too, but we need guys who can consistently perform vs. inconsistency. We've got enough inconsistent pitchers already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 And by the way ... Where is HotSoxChick (HSC)???? I miss her sticking up for Aaron Miles, no walks and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 And by the way ... Where is HotSoxChick (HSC)???? I miss her sticking up for Aaron Miles, no walks and all. She chose to leave the boards because of all the drama taking place on the off topic board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Like Ginter (a major myster), Rauch (another one), Brian West and Malone. Good arms who have stalled in the minors for a variety of reasons. We need somebody from the system to step forward and deliver. With Hankins, offense is nice, but I wonder if he has any potential as a catcher. No way he could be ready for the bigs. But we need to know if he can make it eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 The main numbers I'm watching for Cottsy is the all-important K/BB ratio. I would love to see it at 3:1, hell, I'll even take 2:1 for starters. That ratio can be deceiving and doesn't tell all. His K:BB ratio in Birmimingham was 2.37:1. A better ratio to check would be BB/IP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 21, 2003 Author Share Posted October 21, 2003 That ratio can be deceiving and doesn't tell all. His K:BB ratio in Birmimingham was 2.37:1. A better ratio to check would be BB/IP. You're certainly correct. The BB/IP ratio is most important. The K/BB is somewhat irrelevant, because if a guy strikes out a lot of guys but is wild, he's not going to be very effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 That ratio can be deceiving and doesn't tell all. His K:BB ratio in Birmimingham was 2.37:1. A better ratio to check would be BB/IP. You're certainly correct. The BB/IP ratio is most important. The K/BB is somewhat irrelevant, because if a guy strikes out a lot of guys but is wild, he's not going to be very effective. To expand on your thought...... If a guy walks a lot and strikes out a lot at the Major League level, then he certainly can be effective (see Kerry Wood). Would he be better if he walked less? Yes if he could maintain his high strikeout level, but that may not be the case. The key is, Cotts hasn't shown he can strike out 1.22 batters per 9 innings in the Big Leagues. More walks give a pitcher less margin for error. Conversely, more strikeouts give a pitcher more margin for error. But when evaluating a young pitcher, you certainly don't want to bank on a high strikeout rate in the Majors. If it happens, great, but it is not likely to be as high as in the Minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 21, 2003 Author Share Posted October 21, 2003 That ratio can be deceiving and doesn't tell all. His K:BB ratio in Birmimingham was 2.37:1. A better ratio to check would be BB/IP. You're certainly correct. The BB/IP ratio is most important. The K/BB is somewhat irrelevant, because if a guy strikes out a lot of guys but is wild, he's not going to be very effective. To expand on your thought...... If a guy walks a lot and strikes out a lot at the Major League level, then he certainly can be effective (see Kerry Wood). Would he be better if he walked less? Yes if he could maintain his high strikeout level, but that may not be the case. The key is, Cotts hasn't shown he can strike out 1.22 batters per 9 innings in the Big Leagues. More walks give a pitcher less margin for error. Conversely, more strikeouts give a pitcher more margin for error. But when evaluating a young pitcher, you certainly don't want to bank on a high strikeout rate in the Majors. If it happens, great, but it is not likely to be as high as in the Minors. Well I guess I should have stated that in Cotts's case it's not as important and I don't think he's comparable to Kerry Wood. He's never going to strike out as many guys as Wood will. Wood is an exception for being effectively wild. There certainly aren't many guys like him. If you look at the top 10 in walks for the AL this season, here are the names. Judging my standards of who's effective and who's not, I see more pitchers who I would consider not effective than effective, but not by much. Certainly many of these guys would have had better overall seasons with fewer walks. Good points though Rex. Víctor Zambrano TAM Damian Moss BAL Barry Zito OAK Jason Johnson BAL Kelvim Escobar TOR Joel Piñeiro SEA Jon Garland CHA Derek Lowe BOS Freddy García SEA Tim Wakefield BOS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 OK DAMNIT!!! I get the point!! I was wrong!! Na, sorry...just messin with ya . True, the BB/IP for Cotts tells a large portion of the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 ya Hankins has been really impressive. Now that they've moved him to catcher, any chance we'll see a Olivo and Hankins/Rivera combo, or will we sign Sandy again? And Reed is continuing to impress. I bet we see a Reed/Rowand/Borchard/Harris battle in ST for the CF spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 ya Hankins has been really impressive. Now that they've moved him to catcher, any chance we'll see a Olivo and Hankins/Rivera combo, or will we sign Sandy again? And Reed is continuing to impress. I bet we see a Reed/Rowand/Borchard/Harris battle in ST for the CF spot Sandy is gonna be in this organization one way or another next year. The only question is whether its as a player or a coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Seems like Majewski is regressing bigtime right now...and I too don't believe that Miles will ever really be a MLB quality player, just one of those good stories you hear about in the Minor Leagues. Kinda like the one I always remember.... in 1992 the Greenville Braves, my local team, were in the Southern League Playoffs after completing a 100-43 season, best in AA in quite sometime, maybe ever. They had a pitcher named Mike Hostetler. Grady Little was the manager...YES, that Grady Little. Hostetler went out in the PLayoffs and threw a no-hitter that got the G-Braves to the Championship series. Earlier that year, a friend and I drove to Birmingham from Anderson,SC....why? to see the one and only Dan Pasqua who was on a rehab assignment there. After the game, we stopped to get gas and whos in there? Grady Little. He knew us from Greenville(I went to EVERY home game from 1992-1994). He asked us if we drove all the way down to see the baseball game, and saked if we were headed back. Unfortunately we had to go back. He asked us if we wanted to stay at the team hotel, they had some open rooms due to players that were hurt that didn't make the trip. Sorry if I rambled on, just rehashing some of the Minor League memories I have, and I have LOTS more. I was waiting for the part in the story where Grady leaves the gas pump in the team bus for too long and the whole place explodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Seems like Majewski is regressing bigtime right now...and I too don't believe that Miles will ever really be a MLB quality player, just one of those good stories you hear about in the Minor Leagues. Kinda like the one I always remember.... in 1992 the Greenville Braves, my local team, were in the Southern League Playoffs after completing a 100-43 season, best in AA in quite sometime, maybe ever. They had a pitcher named Mike Hostetler. Grady Little was the manager...YES, that Grady Little. Hostetler went out in the PLayoffs and threw a no-hitter that got the G-Braves to the Championship series. Earlier that year, a friend and I drove to Birmingham from Anderson,SC....why? to see the one and only Dan Pasqua who was on a rehab assignment there. After the game, we stopped to get gas and whos in there? Grady Little. He knew us from Greenville(I went to EVERY home game from 1992-1994). He asked us if we drove all the way down to see the baseball game, and saked if we were headed back. Unfortunately we had to go back. He asked us if we wanted to stay at the team hotel, they had some open rooms due to players that were hurt that didn't make the trip. Sorry if I rambled on, just rehashing some of the Minor League memories I have, and I have LOTS more. I was waiting for the part in the story where Grady leaves the gas pump in the team bus for too long and the whole place explodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Seems like Majewski is regressing bigtime right now...and I too don't believe that Miles will ever really be a MLB quality player, just one of those good stories you hear about in the Minor Leagues. Kinda like the one I always remember.... in 1992 the Greenville Braves, my local team, were in the Southern League Playoffs after completing a 100-43 season, best in AA in quite sometime, maybe ever. They had a pitcher named Mike Hostetler. Grady Little was the manager...YES, that Grady Little. Hostetler went out in the PLayoffs and threw a no-hitter that got the G-Braves to the Championship series. Earlier that year, a friend and I drove to Birmingham from Anderson,SC....why? to see the one and only Dan Pasqua who was on a rehab assignment there. After the game, we stopped to get gas and whos in there? Grady Little. He knew us from Greenville(I went to EVERY home game from 1992-1994). He asked us if we drove all the way down to see the baseball game, and saked if we were headed back. Unfortunately we had to go back. He asked us if we wanted to stay at the team hotel, they had some open rooms due to players that were hurt that didn't make the trip. Sorry if I rambled on, just rehashing some of the Minor League memories I have, and I have LOTS more. I was waiting for the part in the story where Grady leaves the gas pump in the team bus for too long and the whole place explodes. and two days later Dusty Baker pulls up with a fire extinguisher looking for the fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Nice game for Cotts, Majewski and Bikowski SCOTTS. SCORPIONS AB R H BI AVG PEORIA JAVELINAS AB R H BI AVG E.Bruntlett CF 3 0 1 0 .192 J.Strong CF 4 2 2 1 .185 C.Kotchman 1B 3 0 1 0 .258 S.Bikowski RF 4 1 2 3 .409 S.Smitherman LF 3 0 0 0 .317 D.DeJesus DH 4 1 1 0 .400 B.King 3B 4 0 1 0 .250 M.Tonis CAT 4 0 1 1 .282 S.Santos SS 4 0 2 0 .244 J.McKinley CAT 0 0 0 0 .158 J.Mathis CAT 4 0 0 0 .161 J.Bubela LF 4 0 0 0 .342 C.Snyder DH 4 0 2 0 .259 H.Brown 3B 4 0 1 0 .280 N.Gorneault RF 4 0 1 0 .226 L.Broadway 1B 4 0 0 0 .174 T.Whiteman 2B 4 0 0 0 .000 D.Rich 2B 3 1 1 0 .200 G.Powell PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Adams SS 3 1 1 0 .133 T.Nall PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 N.Cotts PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 B.Steffek PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 P.Bauer PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.DeJong PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 M.Thornton PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 G.Majewski PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 33 0 8 0 TOTALS 34 6 9 5 SCOTTS. SCORPIONS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0- 0 8 1 PEORIA JAVELINAS 1 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 X- 6 9 0 E--S.Santos. DP--SCOTTS. SCORPIONS 0, PEORIA JAVELINAS 2. LOB-- SCOTTS. SCORPIONS 9, PEORIA JAVELINAS 4. HR--S.Bikowski (2). SB-- D.DeJesus (5). HBP--C.Kotchman. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA SCOTTS. SCORPIONS G.Powell (L,0-2) 3.0 7 5 5 0 0 1 5.52 T.Nall 3.0 2 1 0 0 2 0 3.00 B.Steffek 2.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 6.14 PEORIA JAVELINAS N.Cotts 4.0 5 0 0 2 3 0 3.07 P.Bauer (W,1-1) 2.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 9.00 J.DeJong 1.0 0 0 0 0 3 0 8.22 M.Thornton 1.0 1 0 0 0 2 0 11.12 G.Majewski 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 9.45 HB--M.Thornton. WP--N.Cotts. SO--S.Smitherman 2, B.King, S.Santos, C.Snyder 2, N.Gorneault 2, T.Whiteman 2, D.DeJesus, H.Brown, D.Rich. BB--E.Bruntlett, S.Smitherman. T--2:09. A--103 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 21, 2003 Author Share Posted October 21, 2003 Nice game for Cotts, Majewski and Bikowski SCOTTS. SCORPIONS AB R H BI AVG PEORIA JAVELINAS AB R H BI AVG E.Bruntlett CF 3 0 1 0 .192 J.Strong CF 4 2 2 1 .185 C.Kotchman 1B 3 0 1 0 .258 S.Bikowski RF 4 1 2 3 .409 S.Smitherman LF 3 0 0 0 .317 D.DeJesus DH 4 1 1 0 .400 B.King 3B 4 0 1 0 .250 M.Tonis CAT 4 0 1 1 .282 S.Santos SS 4 0 2 0 .244 J.McKinley CAT 0 0 0 0 .158 J.Mathis CAT 4 0 0 0 .161 J.Bubela LF 4 0 0 0 .342 C.Snyder DH 4 0 2 0 .259 H.Brown 3B 4 0 1 0 .280 N.Gorneault RF 4 0 1 0 .226 L.Broadway 1B 4 0 0 0 .174 T.Whiteman 2B 4 0 0 0 .000 D.Rich 2B 3 1 1 0 .200 G.Powell PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Adams SS 3 1 1 0 .133 T.Nall PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 N.Cotts PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 B.Steffek PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 P.Bauer PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.DeJong PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 M.Thornton PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 G.Majewski PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 33 0 8 0 TOTALS 34 6 9 5 SCOTTS. SCORPIONS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0- 0 8 1 PEORIA JAVELINAS 1 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 X- 6 9 0 E--S.Santos. DP--SCOTTS. SCORPIONS 0, PEORIA JAVELINAS 2. LOB-- SCOTTS. SCORPIONS 9, PEORIA JAVELINAS 4. HR--S.Bikowski (2). SB-- D.DeJesus (5). HBP--C.Kotchman. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA SCOTTS. SCORPIONS G.Powell (L,0-2) 3.0 7 5 5 0 0 1 5.52 T.Nall 3.0 2 1 0 0 2 0 3.00 B.Steffek 2.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 6.14 PEORIA JAVELINAS N.Cotts 4.0 5 0 0 2 3 0 3.07 P.Bauer (W,1-1) 2.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 9.00 J.DeJong 1.0 0 0 0 0 3 0 8.22 M.Thornton 1.0 1 0 0 0 2 0 11.12 G.Majewski 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 9.45 HB--M.Thornton. WP--N.Cotts. SO--S.Smitherman 2, B.King, S.Santos, C.Snyder 2, N.Gorneault 2, T.Whiteman 2, D.DeJesus, H.Brown, D.Rich. BB--E.Bruntlett, S.Smitherman. T--2:09. A--103 Thanks for the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Sorry if I rambled on, just rehashing some of the Minor League memories I have, and I have LOTS more. Feel free to add more if you like.... Hell, start a thread with a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Seems like Majewski is regressing bigtime right now...and I too don't believe that Miles will ever really be a MLB quality player, just one of those good stories you hear about in the Minor Leagues. Kinda like the one I always remember.... in 1992 the Greenville Braves, my local team, were in the Southern League Playoffs after completing a 100-43 season, best in AA in quite sometime, maybe ever. They had a pitcher named Mike Hostetler. Grady Little was the manager...YES, that Grady Little. Hostetler went out in the PLayoffs and threw a no-hitter that got the G-Braves to the Championship series. Earlier that year, a friend and I drove to Birmingham from Anderson,SC....why? to see the one and only Dan Pasqua who was on a rehab assignment there. After the game, we stopped to get gas and whos in there? Grady Little. He knew us from Greenville(I went to EVERY home game from 1992-1994). He asked us if we drove all the way down to see the baseball game, and saked if we were headed back. Unfortunately we had to go back. He asked us if we wanted to stay at the team hotel, they had some open rooms due to players that were hurt that didn't make the trip. Sorry if I rambled on, just rehashing some of the Minor League memories I have, and I have LOTS more. I was waiting for the part in the story where Grady leaves the gas pump in the team bus for too long and the whole place explodes. and two days later Dusty Baker pulls up with a fire extinguisher looking for the fire ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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