VAfan Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 He's gone from a .307 OBP with Cleveland to a .409 OBP with the Sox in his first 10 games, drawing 8 walks in that span. How does a guy up his walks and on base that quickly? Did he feel like no one could drive him in in Cleveland, so he started swinging for the long ball and chasing pitches out of the zone? His OPS+ went from 97 to 138. Thats way above any year in his career. When you compare it to who the Sox were playing at 2B after Madrigal got hurt, this has been a major upgrade to the lineup. You can see why LaRussa has him hitting 2nd quite a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 It is very surprising considering who is hitting behind him, you would think he would get MORE to hit. The walks have been a very surprising + I didn't think we would get from Hernandez based off his OBP for the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Facing less White Sox pitching, clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 He's walked plenty this year, its that he's hitting now too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Way too small of a sample size to draw conclusions on why the walks are up... But it's not too early to be very happy with the way Hernandez has come in and played since the trade. If this is the Ceasar the Sox are getting for the next 1.5 years, he'll out-produce Nicky in his sleep. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 .350 career OBA. 95 walks in 2018. Was hitting HR's in Cleveland probably out of necessity. Different teams have different needs some times. He sure looks like a guy who will do what is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Didn't he hit in front of Lance Lynn one game and take a couple intentional walks basically? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 57 minutes ago, VAfan said: He's gone from a .307 OBP with Cleveland to a .409 OBP with the Sox in his first 10 games, drawing 8 walks in that span. How does a guy up his walks and on base that quickly? Did he feel like no one could drive him in in Cleveland, so he started swinging for the long ball and chasing pitches out of the zone? His OPS+ went from 97 to 138. Thats way above any year in his career. When you compare it to who the Sox were playing at 2B after Madrigal got hurt, this has been a major upgrade to the lineup. You can see why LaRussa has him hitting 2nd quite a bit. He isn't as good as he is currently hitting but he was also getting unlucky with babip in Cleveland (albeit part of that probably was from selling out for power). Even in Cleveland he was walking close to 10% and for his career he is a 10% walk guy with a 348 obp. With his current approach he probably isn't a 348 obp guy but I do expect 330-340 with maybe a 105-110 wrc+ the rest of the way to which is fine especially if he keeps the added power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Hernandez has been good. Plays a really solid 2B, and as a 9 hitter, which is what he'll be if this team is healthy in October, you could do so much worse. I hated the Madrigal/Kimbrel trade, but if Cesar can play like he has for the next 14 months, we'll be just fine at the keystone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_Kuntz Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Big fan of his. Every at bat is professional and competitive. Great fielder so far, had perfect footwork on the turn last night and just has a feel for how to get the ball and make the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colome's Hat Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Dude's a ballplayer. He also hustles as much as Nick. And his baseball smarts are just much better at this point. Really good pick up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Cesar had been playing real well for CLE in the month before the trade and has carried that over (.887 OPS in July vs. .873 with the Sox in August). Really got a steal there, with another year of control, and allowed us to part with Madrigal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 The double play from Monday's game was impressive. Fast hands, looked like Mazerowski. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 3 hours ago, MnSoxFan said: Didn't he hit in front of Lance Lynn one game and take a couple intentional walks basically? He does have 2 intentional walks with the Sox (which I think you are referring to) but that counts as it's own stat and not under walks (he has 8). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, bighurt574 said: Cesar had been playing real well for CLE in the month before the trade and has carried that over (.887 OPS in July vs. .873 with the Sox in August). Really got a steal there, with another year of control, and allowed us to part with Madrigal. yea what a great find. Feels like we robbed the Guardians. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Tony said: Way too small of a sample size to draw conclusions on why the walks are up... But it's not too early to be very happy with the way Hernandez has come in and played since the trade. If this is the Ceasar the Sox are getting for the next 1.5 years, he'll out-produce Nicky in his sleep. He is also a Gold Glove winner, better D as well as power than Madrigal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 28 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: yea what a great find. Feels like we robbed the Guardians. I think it was the best trade we made. Top notch every game contributor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colome's Hat Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 I feel like Cesar is destined to become a fan favourite around the South Side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Colome's Hat said: Dude's a ballplayer. He also hustles as much as Nick. And his baseball smarts are just much better at this point. Really good pick up. Fielding, baserunning, power all better than Madrigal currently. And he is the same player from both sides of the plate. Very solid pickup by Hahn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 50 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: Fielding, baserunning, power all better than Madrigal currently. And he is the same player from both sides of the plate. Very solid pickup by Hahn. The issue isn't really about the relative performances of Hernandez and Madrigal, it's that Hernandez is only under control through 2022 and Madrigal through 2026. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Just now, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: The issue isn't really about the relative performances of Hernandez and Madrigal, it's that Hernandez is only under control through 2022 and Madrigal through 2026. I'll take Hernandez + Kimbrel for 2 World Series runs vs 5 more seasons of Nick Madrigal . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 minute ago, HOFHurt35 said: I'll take Hernandez + Kimbrel for 2 World Series runs vs 5 more seasons of Nick Madrigal . I would too, I'm just pointing out that there is more to the story than who is better at 2B right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: I'll take Hernandez + Kimbrel for 2 World Series runs vs 5 more seasons of Nick Madrigal . We still had potential 2 WS runs without the trade to be fair (btw I am fine with the trade). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPR Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 5 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Hernandez has been good. Plays a really solid 2B, and as a 9 hitter, which is what he'll be if this team is healthy in October, you could do so much worse. I hated the Madrigal/Kimbrel trade, but if Cesar can play like he has for the next 14 months, we'll be just fine at the keystone. Shouldn’t SS be keystone?? Second base is the easiest to replace. Yes, I rap on Tuesday evenings. It’s just a hobby of mine, might join soundcloud. I have a big following on YouTube like 700 subscribers deep ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthsideDon48 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Is there any chance the Sox could sign him to an extension? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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