2021 NFL Season Thread

[NWINFan]

20 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

That fact that calls for Nagys job are coming from many legit football sources and not just the typical disgruntled ex Bears or Bears fanboys, has to be really embarrassing for the franchise.  Commentators with no ties to the Bears are legitimately appalled with Nagys ineptness  

Firing a manager or coach seems like an easy solution. But the Bears were not just bad, they were embarrassing. They are on their way to a losing season, but it has the potential to be totally embarrassing. Perhaps firing the coach is one way to go to salvage some dignity.

[ptatc]

16 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

I will also say that the overreaction is tough and I fully expect we'll see major steps forward which is all that matters. I come to zero conclusion on Fields based upon this performance.  

My conclusion was that he isn't processing the plays fast enough and he isn't ready to be out there. He will be better against the Lions just because he will have more time as that defense is not as good as the Browns.

[Chisoxfn]

6 minutes ago, ptatc said:

My conclusion was that he isn't processing the plays fast enough and he isn't ready to be out there. He will be better against the Lions just because he will have more time as that defense is not as good as the Browns.

I completely agree. I don't think he got a lot of time against #1's either so this was a rude awakening for him and quite frankly good for his development (since he didn't get hurt).  But this is why I thought it was best to sit him a bit longer so he could see it, but I'd also say the Bears should have thrown him into the ringer a bit more during preseason / training camp too.  And when you combine with a Browns defensive front that is that dynamic and play calling that left him very exposed..and the combination wasn't good.  

I would expect we see a lot more play-action, quick hitting type of plays and a much more balanced rush attack and more help on blockers, etc in game against the Lions. Why those things weren't there against the Browns - I have no idea.  I was hoping when the half ended the script would change in 2nd half but boy they didn't make any real adjustments which was what aggravated me more than anything.  

[TheTruth05]

7 hours ago, ptatc said:

My conclusion was that he isn't processing the plays fast enough and he isn't ready to be out there. He will be better against the Lions just because he will have more time as that defense is not as good as the Browns.

The only way he will ever be ready is through game reps. He had some bad plays but that’s how a rookie grows. Not standing on the sideline watching Andy Dalton check down on a 3 & out.go look at the All-22. Cleveland was all over Nagy’s playcalling. No creativity or imagination to help out his rookie QB in his first start against a very tough defense. 

[Tony]

It's happening....

https://theathletic.com/news/bears-sign-purchase-agreement-for-arlington-park-property-exclusive/QTJyEXELsaMt

[Two-Gun Pete]

5 hours ago, TheTruth05 said:

The only way he will ever be ready is through game reps. He had some bad plays but that’s how a rookie grows. Not standing on the sideline watching Andy Dalton check down on a 3 & out.

Bullshit. Go back and look at the past 5 years All Pro QBs. Of this group of 10 named QBs, 8 sat at least a majority of their rookie years. (The exceptions being a credibly-accused alleged sexual assailant who handed off most of the time his rookie year, and a guy who had a RB named "Beast Mode" and the "Legion of Boom" defense.)

And, like him or not, Cutler himself has said that it would help Fields to sit for awhile. 

 

This whole, "Fields has gotta play, NOW" routine is some media trope. Let the kid sit and learn, and maybe he can yet become an All Pro one day.

[TheTruth05]

6 hours ago, Two-Gun Pete said:

Bullshit. Go back and look at the past 5 years All Pro QBs. Of this group of 10 named QBs, 8 sat at least a majority of their rookie years. (The exceptions being a credibly-accused alleged sexual assailant who handed off most of the time his rookie year, and a guy who had a RB named "Beast Mode" and the "Legion of Boom" defense.)

And, like him or not, Cutler himself has said that it would help Fields to sit for awhile. 

 

This whole, "Fields has gotta play, NOW" routine is some media trope. Let the kid sit and learn, and maybe he can yet become an All Pro one day.

Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson off the top of my head started the majority of their rookie seasons. Alot of those other guys that had the luxury to sit had good QBs in front of them winning games with actual good Qbs so if the Bears don't have that (not to mention he's injured anyway) and are not winning why do you want him sitting again? because Cutler said so? 

[Marqhead]

1 hour ago, TheTruth05 said:

Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson off the top of my head started the majority of their rookie seasons. Alot of those other guys that had the luxury to sit had good QBs in front of them winning games with actual good Qbs so if the Bears don't have that (not to mention he's injured anyway) and are not winning why do you want him sitting again? because Cutler said so? 

So he doesn't get murdered by our offensive line.

[CentralChamps21]

13 hours ago, TheTruth05 said:

The only way he will ever be ready is through game reps. He had some bad plays but that’s how a rookie grows. Not standing on the sideline watching Andy Dalton check down on a 3 & out.go look at the All-22. Cleveland was all over Nagy’s playcalling. No creativity or imagination to help out his rookie QB in his first start against a very tough defense. 

If he had a halfway competent offense surrounding him, yes, but he's not going to get any better playing with the offense the Bears have right now. He can't learn to move to his third read if he's getting sacked before getting to his second read.

[TheTruth05]

7 minutes ago, Marqhead said:

So he doesn't get murdered by our offensive line.

 

3 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said:

If he had a halfway competent offense surrounding him, yes, but he's not going to get any better playing with the offense the Bears have right now. He can't learn to move to his third read if he's getting sacked before getting to his second read.

the funny part is the IOL has been worse than the tackles and those guys are set for at least another year, so I don't think they will improve much next year. We're not really sure what we have in Jenkins yet (assuming his back will be okay) and no draft capital to get a impact RT. Bubblewrap him until 2023

Edited September 29, 2021 by TheTruth05

[knightni]

9 hours ago, Tony said:

It's happening....

https://theathletic.com/news/bears-sign-purchase-agreement-for-arlington-park-property-exclusive/QTJyEXELsaMt

A new stadium would make the McCaskey family so much money/team value for when they sell.

[Kyyle23]

84 million to break the lease.  That's like half a year of revenue sharing checks, maybe less 

[knightni]

3 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

84 million to break the lease.  That's like half a year of revenue sharing checks, maybe less 

Probably add a half billion in team value and double their game revenue.

[CentralChamps21]

I get that Soldier Field is a historic site in a scenic location, but the 1920s shell was never going to be able to hold a suitable 2000s stadium. It was always going to end up with the Bears looking for another site, only now some South Loop areas that might have worked in 2002 are no longer available.

A retractable roof stadium can bring a Super Bowl, NCAA Final Fours, Big Ten football championship game, bowl game, etc. From the city's standpoint, having this in Arlington Heights still brings some hotel/dining revenue to the city, where not building it at all brings none.

[Marqhead]

Lightfoot was on the Score, she almost made it sound as if the City is exploring other options to utilize the stadium year round, implying in my opinion that the Bears probably aren't coming back.

[ptatc]

Did anyone listen to the interview with Lori Lightfoot on the Score? The Bears are definitely moving. Her main points were:

1. It is not her fault the Bears signed the current deal 2 mayors ago.

2. she will maximize the tax payer value for any deal.

3. They will not get gambling as it will get in the way of Chicago casino

4. Soldier field is lucrative without the Bears.

5. She only wants to work with people who want to invest in Chicago as so many businesses are like the Chicago Fire.

She continued to say the Bears won't meet with her. I wonder why?

[Kyyle23]

2 minutes ago, Marqhead said:

Lightfoot was on the Score, she almost made it sound as if the City is exploring other options to utilize the stadium year round, implying in my opinion that the Bears probably aren't coming back.

It wasn't almost, she definitely said that.  Time to start offering the park to soccer matches and college teams 

[Kyyle23]

Just now, ptatc said:

Did anyone listen to the interview with Lori Lightfoot on the Score? The Bears are definitely moving. Her main points were:

1. It is not her fault the Bears signed the current deal 2 mayors ago.

2. she will maximize the tax payer value for any deal.

3. They will not get gambling as it will get in the way of Chicago casino

4. Soldier field is lucrative without the Bears.

5. She only wants to work with people who want to invest in Chicago as so many businesses are like the Chicago Fire.

She continued to say the Bears won't meet with her. I wonder why?

I don't think anyone will accuse her of being savvy 

[Soxbadger]

7 minutes ago, knightni said:

Probably add a half billion in team value and double their game revenue.

Eh its going to add massive debt load. The best option would be to sell before they get into the fight to build the stadium. Asking for tax dollars from Illinois residents to build the stadium is going to be a war.

The Bears ownership doesn't have the cash to build it and there will be a massive campaign against tax increases. I really doubt Arlington Heights will be able to raise that money alone.

[ptatc]

4 minutes ago, Marqhead said:

Lightfoot was on the Score, she almost made it sound as if the City is exploring other options to utilize the stadium year round, implying in my opinion that the Bears probably aren't coming back.

Beat me to it but it sure sounds like the Bears are gone, unless a new mayor comes in with a totally different view.

[Soxbadger]

1 minute ago, ptatc said:

Beat me to it but it sure sounds like the Bears are gone, unless a new mayor comes in with a totally different view.

Nah its posturing. Buying the land is the easy part, building and paying for the stadium is where it will be difficult for the Bears.

[Marqhead]

11 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said:

I get that Soldier Field is a historic site in a scenic location, but the 1920s shell was never going to be able to hold a suitable 2000s stadium. It was always going to end up with the Bears looking for another site, only now some South Loop areas that might have worked in 2002 are no longer available.

A retractable roof stadium can bring a Super Bowl, NCAA Final Fours, Big Ten football championship game, bowl game, etc. From the city's standpoint, having this in Arlington Heights still brings some hotel/dining revenue to the city, where not building it at all brings none.

They really screwed things up in 2002 when they had a chance to put in a good solution.

[ptatc]

2 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

Eh its going to add massive debt load. The best option would be to sell before they get into the fight to build the stadium. Asking for tax dollars from Illinois residents to build the stadium is going to be a war.

The Bears ownership doesn't have the cash to build it and there will be a massive campaign against tax increases. I really doubt Arlington Heights will be able to raise that money alone.

State and Lake County money may come into play. Pritzker would love to say he saved the Bears and hold it over Lightfoot.

[Dick Allen]

I am no fan of Lightfoot even though  I voted for her, but she is in a can't win situation. Soldier Field can't be expanded very much. She can't give the Bears what they want there. Her only chance is to build them  a new stadium, and that is not going to happen. I kind of like her strategy here. Call their bluff. If they really are serious about spending $2 billion on a stadium, let them go to Arlington  Heights. It's pretty easy to get to on a Sunday morning,  and has a dedicated Metra stop.

[ptatc]

2 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

Nah its posturing. Buying the land is the easy part, building and paying for the stadium is where it will be difficult for the Bears.

Possible. I hope so as it will make getting to the games a hassle for me. They haven't even bought the land, its just a purchasing agreement.