elrockinMT Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, fathom said: Who the fuck cares about experience if you’re a shell of your former self? Please don’t have a heart attack. I seriously don’t see Keuchel as being a shell of himself 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, elrockinMT said: This stuff about LaRussa’s management style is getting real irritating. We need to win the division not go 162-0. I would take Francona or Bochy in a heartbeat. For all the talk about Hinch, he's done a solid job getting the most out of an offense-less Tigers team as well...don't think anyone expected them to be competitive as early as 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The ONE hope I have (and that goes along with Rodon's health) is the White Sox break through with playoff success early in their competitive window, this year. It happened with the Cubs, Royals and Astros. The Red Sox and Dodgers were the only teams that didn't fit that trend, but their mega-budgets don't make comparisons with the White Sox as useful anyway. But TLR's managing and the bullpen have to scare the heck out of everyone, even the most optimistic fans. Someone like Luis Robert is just going to have to carry the team, Grandal, Anderson, Eloy, etc. Can't count on Abreu, he has done it for too long and too consistently. Vaughn disappearing (as well as hurting) down the stretch isn't helping to boost that optimism much, either. Cubs, Royals, and Stros were clearly one the best teams when they won it all. That we are not yet. We are probably 6th or 7th right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 If we keep punting games like this, we will not clinch the division until the Cleveland series or worse after. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: You're probably right, but man that was the spot for one. No reason Hamilton is on the roster if he's not running there. TLR station to station baseball is one of the reasons we don’t win one run games. If we don’t hit a homer we generally lose. No attempt at putting runners in motion, no hit and runs, not putting pressure on the defense or opening holes in the opposing infield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Just now, maloney.adam said: If we keep punting games like this, we will not clinch the division until the Cleveland series or worse after. Be nice if Yanks take 2 of 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, fathom said: I respect that and yes, it would be a huge blunder if they have to salary dump him. Not that I like Madrigal, but you have to think they could have got something more valuable under control. He was 3rd amongst AL 2B in WAR when he got injured and his bat was improving. There is zero question whether that plays, I'm sorry. Maybe if they're convinced he can't stay healthy, but you can't push a major trade chip in like that for a reliever. I don't care how good he is. Bryant was the best player traded at the deadline and it was for a package the Sox could have easily exceeded. It also wouldn't have cost them Madrigal. Not pushing harder for him was an egregious mistake in the moment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Just now, hankchifan said: TLR station to station baseball is one of the reasons we don’t win one run games. If we don’t hit a homer we generally lose. No attempt at putting runners in motion, no hit and runs, not putting pressure on the defense or opening holes in the opposing infield. I actually disagree with that, I think a lot of the reason they lose so many one run games is that LaRussa doesn't put guys in a very good position to succeed, particularly with the bullpen. There's lots of times I prefer "station to station baseball". I can't remember the last time I was saying "Someone should be stealing right now", it's been months. This was just such an obvious spot though... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I really don't understand why Tim couldn't take an at bat in the ninth. This team isn't very good on the road. I have no idea why they've decided to coast into the playoffs and not push for home field. TLR never pinch hits with players that have the day off. Total “rest”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Goodwin has a 140 wRC+ vs righties. He has a place I don't think anyone wants to hear you sticking up for Goodwin. I thought of saying the exact same thing but even with that big positive . He's basically in the Kimbrel, Hernandez, Wright kennel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, elrockinMT said: Please don’t have a heart attack. I seriously don’t see Keuchel as being a shell of himself His production on the field would beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Cubs, Royals, and Stros were clearly one the best teams when they won it all. That we are not yet. We are probably 6th or 7th right now. And therein lies the danger of not being at the top but "pretty/really good," especially with Rodon likely leaving and Lynn getting older/more injury prone. We're either going to hit a payroll ceiling...or we're going to have to keep coming up with unexpected performances from guys like Yermin/Goodwin/Hamilton/Rodon. Hard to bank on that happening every single season, unless you're a team like the Dodgers spending in the $250 million range. And ramping the payroll up to compete quickly can backfire too, or making trade after trade after trade...like the Padres have done. If they held on to Quantrill, Patino and even Lauer, they might have ended up better off. We'll see what happens with Clevinger, Snell, Lamet, Darvish and Gore next season. As Fathom noted, they've turned into dead team walking and Tingler will definitely be gone if they miss the playoffs and likely if they lose the WC Game to SF. (Although I'm sure Preller will keep repeating injuries, injuries, injuries as his off-season mantra, attempting to deflect blame from himself.) Edited September 16, 2021 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, maxjusttyped said: He was 3rd amongst AL 2B in WAR when he got injured and his bat was improving. There is zero question whether that plays, I'm sorry. Maybe if they're convinced he can't stay healthy, but you can't push a major trade chip in like that for a reliever. I don't care how good he is. Bryant was the best player traded at the deadline and it was for a package the Sox could have easily exceeded. It also wouldn't have cost them Madrigal. Not pushing harder for him was an egregious mistake in the moment. On paper I still liked the concept...but I wasn't knowledgeable enough about him to understand he would be an awful fit with our catchers and perhaps pitching coach. They aren't able to use his best weapon, the offspeed stuff, if anyone gets on base, because the catchers can't block it, so he's throwing more fastballs and players expect them. I didin't see that coming at all, but then again I'm not paid for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I don't think anyone wants to hear you sticking up for Goodwin. I thought of saying the exact same thing but even with that big positive . He's basically in the Kimbrel, Hernandez, Wright kennel. Goodwin was better than he was given credit for most of the season, but it's not happening for him anymore. There's a reason he was available for the Sox to sign in May. He's not good enough for this team anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, elrockinMT said: Please don’t have a heart attack. I seriously don’t see Keuchel as being a shell of himself Flaming somebody for not being blindly optimistic/homeristic, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I don't think anyone wants to hear you sticking up for Goodwin. I thought of saying the exact same thing but even with that big positive . He's basically in the Kimbrel, Hernandez, Wright kennel. Cesar and kimbrel have done almost nothing positive. Goodwin has been fine when put in position to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, ShoeLessRob said: His production on the field would beg to differ. I know that many fans think a player should never have even one bad game let alone a stretch of poor games. You have a short memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Just now, maxjusttyped said: Goodwin was better than he was given credit for most of the season, but it's not happening for him anymore. There's a reason he was available for the Sox to sign in May. He's not good enough for this team anymore. Goodwin is actually hitting .316 with a .435 OBP so far this month, prior to this game I assume. He only hit .188 in August, but hit 3 home runs and had a .644 OPS, which isn't terrible for his worst month of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) They need to play Engel every game in the playoffs and just let him play through what he’s going through. Goodwin is an AAA player and is no longer a serviceable option for this team. Edited September 16, 2021 by maloney.adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, maxjusttyped said: Goodwin was better than he was given credit for most of the season, but it's not happening for him anymore. There's a reason he was available for the Sox to sign in May. He's not good enough for this team anymore. His defense has been terrible all season. Not making contact in the 9 th with the tying run at 3rd and one out dropped his stock even more. I still say he is a AAA caliber player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, ron883 said: Flaming somebody for not being blindly optimistic/homeristic, lol So being overly negative and pessimistic is more the style we should support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Cesar and kimbrel have done almost nothing positive. Goodwin has been fine when put in position to succeed. I agree there's not a damn thing wrong with his AB's against RHP. Batting average, OBP, Slg. , and OPS all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Just now, elrockinMT said: So being overly negative and pessimistic is more the style we should support? Why do you need to be extreme in either direction? How about using logic and forming a fair opinion? The numbers show Keuchel has been awful all year. It's easy to see by watching him, too. This isn't controversial or overly pessimistic. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Cesar and kimbrel have done almost nothing positive. Goodwin has been fine when put in position to succeed. Doesn’t make any sense putting +Cesar a Gold Glove winner, and Kimbrel anAll star closer in the same category as Goodwin, who is a AAA caliber player and a really bad defensive outfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 22 minutes ago, fathom said: Who the fuck cares about experience if you’re a shell of your former self? Though he pitched well tonight and a couple other starts, would agree with this overall assessment. Cues walkup music. 17 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Cubs, Royals, and Stros were clearly one the best teams when they won it all. That we are not yet. We are probably 6th or 7th right now. Steve Stone who shills for the team co-signs (the Sox are good, not great). There is no magic "switch". So hitters (especially Eloy) and pitchers (Lucas) need to regain their top form and quick, or they will be getting a lot of rest this October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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