South Side Hit Men Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) James Fegan wrote an article with a paragraph or two about the player and specifics of how they were acquired. https://theathletic.com/2862389/2021/10/03/how-the-white-sox-built-their-division-winner-rebuild-trades-free-agent-splashes-and-hidden-gems/?source=emp_shared_article&redirected=1 Below I have grouped the players using James' article categories, and have added their 2021 salary and final bWAR. (P Min = Prorated ML Minimum for time on roster). Rebuild Trades ($27.9M; 19.4 bWAR) Lance Lynn ($9.3M; 5.4); Lucas Giolito ($4.2M; 4.3); Reynaldo Lopez ($2.1M; 0.9) for Adam Eaton (2017-2020 $29.4M; 4.8) & Avery Weems (High A). Dylan Cease ($0.6M; 2.9); Eloy Jimenez ($4.3M; 0.6) for Jose Quintana (2017-2020 $36.9M; 4.6). Yoan Moncada ($6.8M; 4.0); Michael Kopech ($0.6M; 1.3) for Chris Sale (2017-2019 $39.5M; 15.4). High Draft Picks ($10.0M; 7.4 bWAR) Tim Anderson ($7.3M; 4.6) - 2013 1st Round (17th pick) Garrett Crochet ($0.6M; 1.3) - 2020 1st Round (11th pick) Nick Madrigal (P Min; 1.2) - 2018 1st Round (4th pick) Jake Burger (P Min, 0.4) - 2017 1st Round (11th pick) Andrew Vaughn ($0.6M; 0.2) - 2019 1st Round (3rd pick) Gavin Sheets (P Min; 0.2) - 2017 2nd Round Zack Collins ($0.6M; -0.5) - 2016 1st Round (10th pick) Cuban Connection ($21.2M; 6.6 bWAR) Luis Robert ($3.5M; 3.6) - Signed May 27, 2017 Jose Abreu ($17.7M; 3.0) - Signed October 29, 2013 We Mean Business Free Agent Signings ($58.6M; 11.5 bWAR) Carlos Rodon ($3.0M; 5.1) - Signed February 1, 2021 Yasmani Grandal ($18.3M; 3.7) - Signed November 21, 2019 Liam Hendriks ($11.3M; 2.6) - Signed January 15, 2021 Dallas Keuchel ($18.0M; 0.1) - Signed December 30, 2019 Adam Eaton ($8.0M; 0.0) - Signed December 10, 2020 Deadline Deals ($12.8M; 1.8 bWAR) Leury Garcia ($3.5M; 2.0) - Acquired August 11, 2013 as player to be named in the August 9, 2013 trade of Alex Rios ($16.3M; 1.2). Ryan Tepera ($0.3M; 0.6) - Acquired July 29, 2021 for Bailey Horn (High A). Craig Kimbrel ($7.1M; 0.0) - Acquired July 30, 2021 for Nick Madrigal ($0.2M; 0.0) & Codi Heuer ($0.2M; 0.5). Cesar Hernandez ($1.9M; -0.8) - Acquired July 29, 2021 for Konnor Pilkington (AA). Very Late Draft Picks ($5.2M; 0.9 bWAR) Adam Engel ($1.4M; 1.5) - 2013 19th Round Aaron Bummer ($2.0M; 0.5) - 2014 19th Round Codi Heuer ($0.6M; 0.0) - 2018 6th Round Romy Gonzalez (P Min; -0.1) - 2018 18th Round Jimmy Lambert (P Min; -0.1) - 2016 5th Round Seby Zavala (P Min; -0.2) - 2015 12th Round Danny Mendick (P Min; -0.3) - 2015 22nd Round Matt Foster ($0.6M; -0.4) - 2016 20th Round Give That Pro Scout A Raise ($6.5M; 2.6 bWAR) Ryan Burr ($0.6M; 1.1) - Signed as a free agent on December 16, 2019. Jose Ruiz ($0.6M; 1.1) - Selected off waivers from the San Diego Padres on December 22, 2017. Yermin Mercedes ($0.6M; 0.5) - Drafted in the Rule 5 Draft from the Baltimore Orioles on December 14, 2017. Billy Hamilton ($1.0M; 0.3) - Signed as a free agent on March 16, 2021. Mike Wright Jr. (P Min; 0.0) - Signed as a free agent on December 24, 2020. Jake Lamb ($0.8M; 0.0) - Signed as a free agent on March 30, 2021. Evan Marshall ($2.0M; -0.2) - Signed as a free agent on October 30, 2018. Brian Goodwin ($0.8M; -0.2) - Signed as a free agent on May 5, 2021. Note: I moved Adam Eaton from "Rebuild Trades" and Carlos Rodon from "High Draft Picks" to Free Agent Signings reflect their 2021 acquisition; and also moved Codi Heuer to Very Late Draft picks (was in Deadline Deals). Note: Batters not mentioned in the article who played for the Chicago White Sox this season include Luis Gonzalez (P Min; 0.1) and Nick Williams (P Min; -0.3). Pitchers not mentioned who pitched for the Whtie Sox include Zack Burdi (P Min; -0.1), Jace Fry ($0.9M; -0.3) and Jonathan Stiever (P Min; 0.0). Edited October 4, 2021 by South Side Hit Men 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Really interesting that despite the grief we routinely give the front office on here (some of it deserved) that trades and free agent signings have provided us with the biggest bWAR contributions. I know stats can be used to prove many things but in my opinion Hahn can't be all that bad at his job looking at those figures. And no I am not related to him or any member of the front office ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: James Fegan wrote an article with a paragraph or two about the player and specifics of how they were acquired. https://theathletic.com/2862389/2021/10/03/how-the-white-sox-built-their-division-winner-rebuild-trades-free-agent-splashes-and-hidden-gems/?source=emp_shared_article&redirected=1 Below I have grouped the players using James' article categories, and have added their 2021 salary and final bWAR. (P Min = Prorated ML Minimum for time on roster). Rebuild Trades ($27.9M; 19.4 bWAR) Lance Lynn ($9.3M; 5.4); Lucas Giolito ($4.2M; 4.3); Reynaldo Lopez ($2.1M; 0.9) for Adam Eaton (2017-2020 $29.4M; 4.8) & Avery Weems (Texas High A). Dylan Cease ($0.6M; 2.9); Eloy Jimenez ($4.3M; 0.6) for Jose Quintana (2017-2020 $36.9M; 4.6). Yoan Moncada ($6.8M; 4.0); Michael Kopech ($0.6M; 1.3) for Chris Sale (2017-2019 $39.5M; 15.4). High Draft Picks ($10.0M; 7.4 bWAR) Tim Anderson ($7.3M; 4.6) - 2013 1st Round (17th pick) Garrett Crochet ($0.6M; 1.3) - 2020 1st Round (11th pick) Nick Madrigal (P Min; 1.2) - 2018 1st Round (4th pick) Jake Burger (P Min, 0.4) - 2017 1st Round (11th pick) Andrew Vaughn ($0.6M; 0.2) - 2019 1st Round (3rd pick) Gavin Sheets (P Min; 0.2) - 2017 2nd Round Zack Collins ($0.6M; -0.5) - 2016 1st Round (10th pick) Cuban Connection ($21.2M; 6.6 bWAR) Luis Robert ($3.5M; 3.6) - Signed May 27, 2017 Jose Abreu ($17.7M; 3.0) - Signed October 29, 2013 We Mean Business Free Agent Signings ($58.6M; 11.5 bWAR) Carlos Rodon ($3.0M; 5.1) - Signed February 1, 2021 Yasmani Grandal ($18.3M; 3.7) - Signed November 21, 2019 Liam Hendriks ($11.3M; 2.6) - Signed January 15, 2021 Dallas Keuchel ($18.0M; 0.1) - Signed December 30, 2019 Adam Eaton ($8.0M; 0.0) - Signed December 10, 2020 Deadline Deals ($12.8M; 1.8 bWAR) Leury Garcia ($3.5M; 2.0) - Acquired August 11, 2013 (as a player named August 9, 2013 trade of Alex Rios ($16.3M; 1.2). Ryan Tepera ($0.3M; 0.6) - Acquired July 29, 2021 for Bailey Horn (High A). Craig Kimbrel ($7.1M; 0.0) - Acquired July 30, 2021 for Nick Madrigal ($0.2M; 0.0) & Codi Heuer ($0.2M; 0.5). Cesar Hernandez ($1.9M; -0.8) - Acquired July 29, 2021 for Konnor Pilkington (AA). Very Late Draft Picks ($5.2M; 0.9 bWAR) Adam Engel ($1.4M; 1.5) - 2013 19th Round Aaron Bummer ($2.0M; 0.5) - 2014 19th Round Codi Heuer ($0.6M; 0.0) - 2018 6th Round Romy Gonzalez (P Min; -0.1) - 2018 18th Round Jimmy Lambert (P Min; -0.1) - 2016 5th Round Seby Zavala (P Min; -0.2) - 2015 12th Round Danny Mendick (P Min; -0.3) - 2015 22nd Round Matt Foster ($0.6M; -0.4) - 2016 20th Round Give That Pro Scout A Raise ($6.5M; 2.6 bWAR) Ryan Burr ($0.6M; 1.1) - Signed as a free agent on December 16, 2019. Jose Ruiz ($0.6M; 1.1) - Selected off waivers from the San Diego Padres on December 22, 2017. Yermin Mercedes ($0.6M; 0.5) - Drafted in the Rule 5 Draft from the Baltimore Orioles on December 14, 2017. Billy Hamilton ($1.0M; 0.3) - Signed as a free agent on March 16, 2021. Mike Wright Jr. (P Min; 0.0) - Signed as a free agent on December 24, 2020. Jake Lamb ($0.8M; 0.0) - Signed as a free agent on March 30, 2021. Evan Marshall ($2.0M; -0.2) - Signed as a free agent on October 30, 2018. Brian Goodwin ($0.8M; -0.2) - Signed as a free agent on May 5, 2021. Note: I moved Adam Eaton from "Rebuild Trades" and Carlos Rodon from "High Draft Picks" to Free Agent Signings reflect their 2021 acquisition; and also moved Codi Heuer to Very Late Draft picks (was in Deadline Deals. Note: Batters not mentioned in the article who played for the Chicago White Sox this season include Luis Gonzalez (P Min; 0.1) and Nick Williams (P Min; -0.3). Pitchers not mentioned but who pitched for the Whtie Sox include Zack Burdi (P Min; -0.1), Jace Fry ($0.9M; -0.3) and Jonathan Stiever (P Min; 0.0). Great writeup. The FO has done a very nice job of maximizing their trade chips. Im still not sure of the Kimbrel trade but that we will find out in playoffs if it was worth it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Did not realize Bummer was drafted so late. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CentralChamps21 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: More info about the pitchers: 22 pitchers in MLB had a fWAR of 4.0 or higher this year. The Sox had FOUR of those pitchers. 23 pitchers in the AL had an ERA < 4.0 and IP > 130. The Sox had FOUR of those pitchers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chitownsportsfan Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 26 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: lol, how the fuck is TA not taking more walks? It's basically impossible to be that type of player and not get walked more often based on that list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 9 hours ago, Chimpton said: Really interesting that despite the grief we routinely give the front office on here (some of it deserved) that trades and free agent signings have provided us with the biggest bWAR contributions. I know stats can be used to prove many things but in my opinion Hahn can't be all that bad at his job looking at those figures. And no I am not related to him or any member of the front office ? The analysis doesn't include the trades that yielded nothing, such as the trades of Swarzak, Soria, Robertson/Kahnle/Frazier. Nor does it include the trades that caused the need for rebuild (Shields, Samardzija, Frazier). And even in the rebuild trades included above, the net WAR is negative and the only big winner is the Eaton trade. The big winners are both Eaton trades, the "Cuban connection" and drafting Sale and Anderson (the draft picks during the rebuild haven't contributed that much). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, GreenSox said: The analysis doesn't include the trades that yielded nothing, such as the trades of Swarzak, Soria, Robertson/Kahnle/Frazier. Nor does it include the trades that caused the need for rebuild (Shields, Samardzija, Frazier). And even in the rebuild trades included above, the net WAR is negative and the only big winner is the Eaton trade. The big winners are both Eaton trades, the "Cuban connection" and drafting Sale and Anderson (the draft picks during the rebuild haven't contributed that much). Good lord. This team is in the playoffs having built up from the absolute bottom, and you are talking about trades for middle relievers at the end of their contracts. You must be real fun at parties. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chimpton Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, GreenSox said: The analysis doesn't include the trades that yielded nothing, such as the trades of Swarzak, Soria, Robertson/Kahnle/Frazier. Nor does it include the trades that caused the need for rebuild (Shields, Samardzija, Frazier). And even in the rebuild trades included above, the net WAR is negative and the only big winner is the Eaton trade. The big winners are both Eaton trades, the "Cuban connection" and drafting Sale and Anderson (the draft picks during the rebuild haven't contributed that much). The analysis is looking at the players in the current squad of players, not every trade done by Hahn, every club makes bad trades but all I am saying is that in assembling this team that has made the post season back to back for the first time ever Hahn has done a good job on the free agents and trades. As for the trades being a 'net loss' that is what I meant when I said stats can be used to prove anything, as most of those trades were of MLB talent like Sale for prospects then the WAR would be a net loss initially but I am sure that even you would admit that Cease and Eloy for Quintana has been a good trade no matter what the current WAR net exchange looks like. Even the Sale trade, whilst looking one sided looking at the WAR that is because Kopech is not yet at his full potential and Moncada may yet develop the talent that is undoubtedly there even further if his bat can return to 2019 levels to go along with his improved defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 I'd imagine that much negative WAR wouldn't be on that list if it weren't for the injuries and lack of depth in this organization. Sox FO have some interesting decisions to make in the next two offseasons. Which fan fav players get dealt to add serious depth to the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Chimpton said: The analysis is looking at the players in the current squad of players, not every trade done by Hahn, every club makes bad trades but all I am saying is that in assembling this team that has made the post season back to back for the first time ever Hahn has done a good job on the free agents and trades. As for the trades being a 'net loss' that is what I meant when I said stats can be used to prove anything, as most of those trades were of MLB talent like Sale for prospects then the WAR would be a net loss initially but I am sure that even you would admit that Cease and Eloy for Quintana has been a good trade no matter what the current WAR net exchange looks like. Even the Sale trade, whilst looking one sided looking at the WAR that is because Kopech is not yet at his full potential and Moncada may yet develop the talent that is undoubtedly there even further if his bat can return to 2019 levels to go along with his improved defence. I really didn't consider my OG post as an analysis, strictly a grouping of players based on the article, their 2021 salary and final bWAR. @GreenSox comment "And even in the rebuild trades included above, the net WAR is negative and the only big winner is the Eaton trade." is absurd. I listed the entirety of what was given up to date (the player and contract traded, and bWAR earned for the remainder of the contract) vs. strictly 2021 performance. Here are the trades with ML total amounts paid and bWAR earned from the time of the trade through the end of this season. It also doesn't account for future control of players at below market rates, which provides the Sox an even greater advantage. White Sox return = $37.4M & 42.0 bWAR + Future Control (2 Years for Lucas Giolito and Reynaldo Lopez; 3 years for Eloy Jimenez & Yoan Moncada; 4 years for Dylan Cease & Michael Kopech). White Sox gave up 24.7 bWAR (at the contract cost of $88.9M) and Avery Weems. Lance Lynn ($9.3M; 5.4); Lucas Giolito ($5.5M; 11.5); Reynaldo Lopez ($3.4M; 4.5) for Adam Eaton (2017-2020 $23.4M; 4.8) & Avery Weems (High A). Dylan Cease ($2.0M; 2.9); Eloy Jimenez ($7.0M; 3.4) for Jose Quintana (2017-2020 $26.0M; 4.5). Yoan Moncada ($9.0M; 12.9); Michael Kopech ($1.2M; 1.4) for Chris Sale (2017-2019 $39.5M; 15.4). 2020 salaries adjusted above compared to the OG post for the pro-rata salary paid due to the 2020 Owner Lockout. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kyyle23 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Guys I can't be happy with the playoffs because Melky Cabrera wasn't good when we were bad and also the trade for Charlie Tilson didn't pan out. F- 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Guys I can't be happy with the playoffs because Melky Cabrera wasn't good when we were bad and also the trade for Charlie Tilson didn't pan out. F- I myself can't get it out of my head how Mark Teahan was so great against us and then could not play well for us....I hope I am ok by Thursday but I have my doubts....starting to think about how disappointed I was in Viciedo now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, wegner said: I myself can't get it out of my head how Mark Teahan was so great against us and then could not play well for us....I hope I am ok by Thursday but I have my doubts....starting to think about how disappointed I was in Viciedo now. Don't even get me started on how Dustin Garneau is now backing up for the Tigers, he could have been the featured backup for years. One more minus. F-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Don't even get me started on how Dustin Garneau is now backing up for the Tigers, he could have been the featured backup for years. One more minus. F-- If only we had drafted Mike Trout instead of Jared Mitchell, we would have a dynasty like the Angels. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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